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Is the number of 144,000 a literal number of souls, or are they a special class of souls amoung the multitudes of souls to be in Heaven? After the flood, only 8 people survived that one....

...and is it good enough for us to not strive to BE one of the 144,000, but to just barely get inside the gates of Heaven? I heard a preacher one Sabbath say: " I don't care if I'm not a part of the 144,000, I just wanna get in"  He may have been exhorting his sense of humor, but the desception is present in his statement. Often, satan will wrap his desceptions in humor, to get them past our inner securities, and we readily accept them while we laugh at them, all the while, not realizing that we've just been duped!

  So, are we, or are we not to strive to be one of the 144,000 ???

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    Teresa, Ray, Benicio,


  EGW: " But in the harvest of the world there will be no likeness between good and evil. The wicked will be gathered from the righteous, to trouble them no more forever. " 2SP p.249


    When is the harvest of the world, is it durning the loud cry?


     Do you believe the harvest for the world is before, during, or after the time of trouble?


    These questions help me better understand what you believe, where you stand... Thank you... :)



Ray Phillips and Benicio  just to clarify a bit, they will be NO TARES AFTER the purification of the church takes place and that is the one in Ezekiel 9,because the whole purpose of Ezekiel 9 is to separate the WHEAT(the ones who have been sealed by God) from the TARES(the ones who have not been sealed) hence AFTER  that the church of God would have been Purified. 

Elijah was a type of the saints who will be living on the earth at the time of the second advent of Christ and who will be “changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump,” without tasting of death.1 Corinthians 15:51, 52. PK227

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Rev.7:4

We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns, and with His own right hand placed them on our heads.He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory.Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. EW 16.2

And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet.Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the city. EW 17

Type meets antitype
The only group that fits is the 144.000. Not only because both did/will not taste death, both are Israelites (1 Kings 17:1), wear long mantles.

Amen, LadyEve



Okay  you to is a Shepherd's Rod. And you tol Teresa that you are not a Davidian? WAW!!






Who are you calling a shepherds rod???


Accussing the brethren is a fruit of the enemy.


Please do not falsely label people as we are all brothers & sisters in Christ.


Thnak you:)....Now lets get back to the topic at hand.



Who are me to label people?


If it not tru, say it and we will go back to de topic.


When talk to people I like to know with how I'm talking To.



 Benicio    stop judging people and read for yourself ask the Holy Spirit to open your mind and heart so you can be able to discern spiritual things



YaYaYa with your Shepherd's Rod teaching.


I find you to be desrepected, people are ask  you some question and you do not give back an answer. And you come with you WShepherd's Rod Bu!!!!!!!!!


Get real answer people question!



No Gabriel I have no problem. I now every thing of the Shepherd's Rod. I now how they think how they talk. Do you now how I now all of this? Because I whas one of them one time. But God has upon my eyes, and now I can see!


I hated with they use their taktike to convourte people on this side! Sense God has upon my eyes, I have made a promse to God, that I will expose them, and show them that what they are teaching is error!



Thank you sis Teresa. There are many people who say that I label every body as Shepher's Rod, the problem is I know them, and I has promse God that I will expose them.



Ladyeve what you saying makes a lot of sense and I will read more about it, Thanks much.


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