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In the last year or 2 (jus my experience) I've seen a lot of drums used in the church for praise teams, and well pretty much anything else involving music. I have yet to see drums mentioned in the Bible. I've heard that instrument isn't mentioned there. I'm not sure but I believe Ellen White saw drums entering the church eventually too and wrote about that altho I couldn't find where right now. And I kno theres cultures out there who use them to summon spirits.. soo...yeah... lol. But does anyone else know anything around all this? Whats your take on it?

UPDATE (10/10 & 14/11): Over time I have learned a lot over the study of the Bible and SOP concerning the use of drums in the church. I don't want to make this reading extra long so I'll share some studies I have written it, with Scripture and SOP, as well as other sources with much even scientific evidence. God bless in your studies, and may we make the right decision. 


MUSIC & THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGES -Fitzroy Anderson

http://www.midnightcrymedia.com/index.php?option=com_jomtube&view=video&id=70 | Part 1

http://www.midnightcrymedia.com/index.php?option=com_jomtube&view=video&id=73 | Part 2

http://midnightcrymedia.com/index.php?option=com_jomtube&view=video&id=96 | Part 3

http://midnightcrymedia.com/index.php?view=video&id=69%3Apart-4-music-a-the-3-angels-message&option=com_jomtube&Itemid=77 | Part 4

 

SONIC WARFARE -Ivor Myers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gycnjC9R0XY | 1 (find this one, you find them all)

 

HEAVENLY MUSIC STARTING NOW

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/2601/heavenly...


APPLAUSE, HAND WAIVING, DRUMMING, & DANCING IN THE CHURCH -Dr. Pipim

http://www.drpipim.org/worship-aamp-church-growth-contemporaryissue...

 

THE BEAST FROM THE ABYSS -Ivor Myers

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/1163/the-beas... (please see also the other 3 connecting sermons located right below the player. Can't miss it)

 

Music seminar segment in THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES

http://youtu.be/a56TGXoRWqY (Music and the Great Controversy)

http://youtu.be/EYXSwtcWrTU (Patterns from Music)

http://youtu.be/PH8U9yxRgVs (Satan's Musical church)

http://youtu.be/kU1cNcyjW2o (Music and the Emerging Church)

 

DRUMS, ROCK, AND WORSHIP

http://www.afbookstore.com/deptitem/i/EB-DRW/n/Drums_Rock_and_Worsh...

 

Some of my own studies

http://peculiartruth7.wordpress.com/category/music-2/

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/113374262012937/ <-- A growing group of SDA Youth on Facebook against secular music in our church.

 

Dwayne Lemon Testimony <-- hitting real close to home, maybe even there, actually..

http://youtu.be/C2OXoD3jE1c 

 

Please friends, no more "I think", "I feel" answers. Lets study it out. I understand there will be disagreement, I've seen this in my journey to get an answer. We are Seventh-Day Adventists who seek citizenship in heaven! ...however :) That comes first, and heaven should be our culture. Lets be honest, sincere, and willing to look at the evidence. These are, after all, well learned Seventh-Day Adventists, who base what they will share on Scripture. After all, we too need to remember who we are.

 

He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. - Proverbs 18:13 KJV

 

God bless. 

 

10/31/11 UPDATE

 

Seminar: Music-Dwayne Lemon

 

History repeats itself:

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/3595/history-...

God's Instruction on Music:

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/3596/gods-ins...

Music, the Sanctuary, and the Judgement:

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/3597/music-th...


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Drum worship is not acceptable unto God, there is no use of drums in Heaven, none during the worship of God by moses and the Isrealites and none to come in the new Jerusalem. We need to remember that satan was the one that was the director of music and no form of drum was used by him and the angels in worshipping GOd. Ezekiel 28:13 and throughout the Psalms no use of drums to worship God.
Drums are cool instruments when played well and can enhance a service to the point where worshippers are receiving healing from the stresses of the week and blessings for the week to come.

Ellen White had nothing to say about drums and definately did NOT say "Drums should not be used in our services." If we believe Ellen White is the prophet for the last days surely she would have mentioned it if there was going to be a major problem. She was however not too impressed with the piano and actually thought it was a waste of time for some people to learn.

Drums are in the bible, the women played them and that is why they are not found used in the sanctuary because women were not allowed in the sanctuary.

The real question is: Should drums and their players (women in the bible times) be allowed in the sanctuary now?
Is that clear?

Oh, and the summoning of spirits etc has no bearing in this discussion and nothing to do with christian drummers playing in church. That is like saying that orcestral instruments cannot be used to summon spirits.but then we have the Requiem Mass, which is just that, an orshestra speaking to dead souls, effectively.
Once performers started using recorded "Performance Tracks" in our churches we had drums whether we liked it or not.. 'nuff sed
Yeah, I got friends that play it, n loved it all for some time myself. I know they cool instruments...

About EGW having nothing to say though, that first reply seems like she did have something to say about it. I know that particular instrument is used for reasons none of us would agree with, and that it has been used to make maybe more acceptable music? It does work into and enhances your feelings though.. amps ppl up, etc. I think EGW does talk about it for the future though.

As for drums in the Bible, I have not read from Genesis to Revelation yet, but am so close. In reading from the NKJV and using the KJV to refer to a few things, I have yet to come across the word "drums" or anything about women playing them. I'm not saying I do not believe you, but.. would you mind finding the verses that would confirm that?

How does it have nothing to do with this discussion. Christians are using an instrument that has played a large role in pagan type things, or for war reasons. I'm not saying its bad, or to get rid of it.. I'm just trying to put more pieces together to understand it more. I did not know that about the Requiem Mass, good to be aware of. But ok, just from what I've seen, right? You get drums involved, and from my experience, the music will get louder. Maybe faster paced. Ppl may start swaying a bit.. is there a possibility that maybe subconsciencely (check spelling) we're getting sidetracked from true worship?
"Drums are in the bible, the women played them and that is why they are not found used in the sanctuary because women were not allowed in the sanctuary."

Show me the verses please.

I thought that all people came to the sanctuary of old, everyday, to have their sins forigven by the shedding of blood by their sacrifice of the day. And then once a year, the Sancuary was cleaned.

My understanding also is that only the priest of the tribe of the Levites were the only ones allowed in the sanctuary to perform the duties thereof.

Which goes to say that no one other than the chosen men were allowed in the sancuary. Others come to the alter, and the chosen men of God does the rest.
Drums are in the bible, the women played them and that is why they are not found used in the sanctuary because women were not allowed in the sanctuary.

Neither was any "common person".

Leviticus 1:1-5
1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
1:3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
1:4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
1:5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

No one else but Arron's sons.

So.
I came across this discussion some time ago, but still pertinent. You might like to visit: http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6840

Let us remember that almost anything can be used for good or bad. The choice is ours.
Thank you for that article, presents much for both sides. One thing I am curious about, and yes I am one of those that stick to the King James translations, opposed to many modern translations (good accurate book on that called The Faithful Witness by Sharon Thomas Crews, not to change the subject lol). The King James has that verse this way ... well let me put them side by side:

"Psalm 81:2 says, "Start the music, strike the drum, play the melodious harp and lyre." (from the article)

Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery. -Psalm 81:2 (KJV)

Tambourine is what that is, so that... drum.. hmm.. I mean, I guess.. but idk still. That word pleasant though, kinda makes me wonder.

They had great EGW quotes there, and I believe as a true prophet, her words will never be outdated as some might have suggested there. She did not seem to favor drums.

The post there dated "Nov 6 2005, 12:45 AM" has me most convinced. There was mention of drums being much bigger, and never being used in worship service. A tambourine, much smaller, more subtle, less heard, would be. Good thing I had that KJV around huh... lol. Good arguments on both sides, but I again, in looking around that article, that date and time's post has me most convinced. Here are 2 quotes from that helped:

"The large frame drums were never used in the worship of God, the nearest thing resembling a drum was the Timbrel or Tabret similar to a tambourine but these were hand held making light sounds, not fracas."

"The Bible lists many kinds of instruments (Psalms 150:3-5), yet one instrument is NEVER mentioned! The drum was a very common instrument in Egypt and the lands around Israel. Did the Lord just forget to include the DRUM or is there another reason? Is it because drums are associated with voodoo, shamanism, paganism and magic rituals?"

This person must be sticking to the KJV too, huh.. lol.

Thanks again for sharing :)
Ellen White had a celebration church in Indiana during her time that was an Adventist church. God showed her right before Jesus comes Celebration Adventist churches would be mulitplied. Those people are wandering after the world. God will shake his church soon. Make sure you are on the right side of the church when that happens.
Ellen White said that celebrating Jesus was wrong? Where?
I hate rock 'n' roll churches.

Qualities of Good Music.--Great improvement can be made in singing. Some think that the louder they sing the more music they make; but noise is not music. Good singing is like the music of the birds--subdued and melodious. {Ev 510.4}
In some of our churches I have heard solos that were altogether unsuitable for the service of the Lord's house. The long-drawn-out notes and the peculiar sounds common in operatic singing are not pleasing to the angels. They delight to hear the simple songs of praise sung in a natural tone. The songs in which every word is uttered clearly, in a musical tone, are the songs that they join us in singing. They take up the refrain that is sung from the heart with the spirit and the understanding.--Manuscript 91, 1903.
Question is ... was this her personal opinion or was in direct from God in a vision?

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