The SDA 28 Fundamentals has IJ as one of those pillars that upholds the platform we stand on. To my surprise I have noted some of the saints around here do not think there is any Investigative Judgement. So let us see if there is a Investigative Judgement or not. I have also noted that the same Saints do not subscribe to the writings of E G White. So I would prefer that we use the Bible only.
The SDA church does have the Investigative Judgement as one of its 28 fundamentals Quoting:
24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)
The hour of the evening sacrifice arrives. The priest stands in the court of the Temple in Jerusalem ready to offer a lamb as sacrifice. As he raises the knife to kill the victim, the earth convulses. Terrified, he drops the knife and the lamb escapes. Over the din of the earthquake he hears a loud ripping noise as an unseen hand rends the veil of the Temple from top to bottom. What did the tearing of the veil really mean?
Across town, black clouds enshroud a cross. When Jesus, the Passover Lamb of God, calls out, "It is finished!" He dies for the sins of the world.
Type has met antitype. The very event the Temple services have pointed to through the centuries has taken place. The Saviour has completed His atoning sacrifice, and because symbol has met reality, the rituals foreshadowing this sacrifice have been superseded. Thus the rent veil, the dropped knife, the escaped lamb.
But there is more to salvation history. It reaches beyond the cross. Jesus' resurrection and ascension direct our attention to the heavenly sanctuary, where, no longer the Lamb, He ministers as priest. The once-for-all sacrifice has been offered (Heb. 9:28); now He makes available to all the benefits of this atoning sacrifice.
I have noted some of the saints here saying that the atonement was fulfilled on the cross. I wonder how this could be correct? We have many texts telling us that there is an ongoing Investigative Judgement happening in the heavenly courts at this very moment.
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I am a little confused now. Do you think that the IJ was preached prior to Edson?
Herbert: "I am a little confused now. Do you think that the IJ was preached prior to Edson?"
:) No worries my friend... no need to be confused, because I'm not even talking about the IJ yet.. I'm talking about the 2300 day time prophecy that was preached before the 7th Day Adventist Church... and whoever names who were 7th Day Adventist.
Evening though Bro. Miller had the event wrong, he and those with him had the date right... from the start and the end... which is all I'm talking about at this moment. It's the foundation of coming to 1844.. that's what this post is about, '1844 and the IJ ', ofcourse, first, how to get to 1844 is important to understanding the IJ.
If it is that clear, then why didn't anyone understand the interpretation until Hiram Edson's cornfield vision. According to you they are clear facts because it is how you have been indoctrinated, I know that you did not come up with the interpretation on your own. So if others don't see it your way, or have a different interpretation you should respect it and give it credence. I many of our protestant fore fathers (Hess, Wesly, Luther, Kempis, Waldo, ect,) were inspired by God and were theologians but the IJ was missed by them. They were a formidable foundation for contemporary Christianity, so I wouldn't dismiss their knowledge.
"I many of our protestant fore fathers (Hess, Wesly, Luther, Kempis, Waldo, ect,) were inspired by God and were theologians but the IJ was missed by them. They were a formidable foundation for contemporary Christianity, so I wouldn't dismiss their knowledge."
Does this mean that they had all truth and nothing was to be added when they passed. Is this your way of coping out from the SDA theology, who do build on those also. It is not a matter of dismissing it is about building.
Interesting, that you include Hess among our forefathers. I assume you are referring to Philip of Hesse... or perhaps you mean Huss? Do you know? Who is Wesly? I wonder whether you know any of them very well.
Leon is not the best at spelling so you must allow him some slack in that. If it is just carelessness or he does it deliberately remains to be found out. One would expect better from someone who claims to be a professional.
Sorry for my Typo's I am typically mulit-tasking. Thanks Ian for the guidance. Jan Hus, and John Wesley, and yes I know them well, I think you know that Stewart. Typo's in blogs is very common.
Did you want some information about their influence on Christianity?
Minor point, I know. I did consider it just a typo, but then I realized that the "e" and the "u" are not close to each other on the keyboard. Yes, a spelling mistake, and we all do it, but some are accidents, some indicate our level of familiarity on a certain subject.
Leon, thank you for the offer of further information, but I have some knowledge of them (except for Kempis) too. I am happy just to move on.
Typo's in blogs is very common.
Yes it may be so but this also tells us something about the poster what attitude he has to what is discussed.
Herbert: "If it is that clear, then why didn't anyone understand the interpretation until Hiram Edson's cornfield vision. According to you they are clear facts because it is how you have been indoctrinated, I know that you did not come up with the interpretation on your own."
The 2300 day time prophecy was being preached before Hiram Edson.. Bro. Miller was the one preaching the 2300 day(evening and morning) time prophecy. You like Wiki right? well, Do the Wiki bro... It says Hiram Edson,
"a Methodist, heard and accepted the message[Millerite message] at an evangelistic series."
The Millerite message was about the first the 2300 day time prophecy, and at the end of that prophecy they had the events wrong, but the time calculations was correct.
Apples & Oranges bro... You see, you want to include the IJ teaching with the time prophecy.. yes, they are connected, but the time prophecy happens first, and at the end of the time prophecy, then comes the events that happened. To understand what happened at the end of the time prophecy of the 2300 days, we must first confirm the start and the end of the time prophecy. There is clear Bible Truth that shows the connection that the 2300 days plays a part of whats being explained in Dan.9.
Blessings to you Brother! :)
Your belief that the IJ was preached prior to Edson is simply not true. You can win any discussion if you are willing to make stuff up. The 2300 day prophecy as defined by Miller was about the return of Christ, not the IJ, a doctrine Miller never accepted. And my point regarding the other pillars of prodestanism and their lack of light regarding the IJ still stands. If it is clear in the Bible then why did so many people miss it. John Wycliffe translated the bible several times, and was a strong avocate for making scripture accesable to the common man. I think you would agree that he was inspired by God. Thus, why did he not clearly see the IJ.
Herbert: "Your belief that the IJ was preached prior to Edson is simply not true. You can win any discussion if you are willing to make stuff up."
You need to look in the mirror and say that Herbert, because you will not find where I said the IJ was preached prior to EGW, James White, Edson etc.
Sorry, it's just not there, your making stuff up bro. This is not the first time we went down this road..you keep regurgitating the same false claims. Do you forget what we talk about? we already went through this.
Herbert: "The 2300 day prophecy as defined by Miller was about the return of Christ, not the IJ, a doctrine Miller never accepted."
That's what I said bro, with all do respect, are you reading carefully? I said
Reasoning: "The Millerite message was about the first the 2300 day time prophecy, and at the end of that prophecy they had the events wrong, but the time calculations was correct."
They misunderstood what event was to take place at the end of the 2300 day time prophecy. But again, I'm just focused on the 2300 day time prophecy, not the events (IJ) that took place at the end of the prophecy.