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The SDA 28 Fundamentals has IJ as one of those pillars that upholds the platform we stand on. To my surprise I have noted some of the saints around here do not think there is any Investigative Judgement. So let us see if there is a Investigative Judgement or not. I have also noted that the same Saints do not subscribe to the writings of E G White. So I would prefer that we use the Bible only.

The SDA church does have the Investigative Judgement as one of its 28 fundamentals Quoting:

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:

There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

28 fundamental Beliefs

The hour of the evening sacrifice arrives. The priest stands in the court of the Temple in Jerusalem ready to offer a lamb as sacrifice. As he raises the knife to kill the victim, the earth convulses. Terrified, he drops the knife and the lamb escapes. Over the din of the earthquake he hears a loud ripping noise as an unseen hand rends the veil of the Temple from top to bottom. What did the tearing of the veil really mean?

Across town, black clouds enshroud a cross. When Jesus, the Passover Lamb of God, calls out, "It is finished!" He dies for the sins of the world.

Type has met antitype. The very event the Temple services have pointed to through the centuries has taken place. The Saviour has completed His atoning sacrifice, and because symbol has met reality, the rituals foreshadowing this sacrifice have been superseded. Thus the rent veil, the dropped knife, the escaped lamb.

But there is more to salvation history. It reaches beyond the cross. Jesus' resurrection and ascension direct our attention to the heavenly sanctuary, where, no longer the Lamb, He ministers as priest. The once-for-all sacrifice has been offered (Heb. 9:28); now He makes available to all the benefits of this atoning sacrifice.

I have noted some of the saints here saying that the atonement was fulfilled on the cross. I wonder how this could be correct? We have many texts telling us that there is an ongoing Investigative Judgement happening in the heavenly courts at this very moment.

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I think you implied that the IJ was preached prior to Edson which is not true. If I was wrong then I misread your statement. I do look in the mirror daily and know that changes need to be made. I am happy that God is still willing to work with me.




 Herbert: "I think you implied that the IJ was preached prior to Edson which is not true. If I was wrong then I misread your statement. I do look in the mirror daily and know that changes need to be made. I am happy that God is still willing to work with me."


  It's not "if" you were wrong, you were wrong!!! So when you say


 Herbert: "You can win any discussion if you are willing to make stuff up."...


 You need to apply it to yourself!!






Could you not have told Herbert in a more Christian manner?

Trying to make everyone other than your self appear unlearned is certainly not the way to impress other of your brilliance. I really feel some of you guys seem to be working against the best interest of the SDA church. Rudeness does not build up a Church. I'm sorry I'm being rude myself, but it is counterproductive when every post others or myself make is followed with a derogatory remark.

God is not pleased with us I'm sure.


Hello Reasoning

Here is the statement that I am referring to.

The 2300 day time prophecy was being preached before Hiram Edson.. Bro. Miller was the one preaching the 2300 day(evening and morning) time prophecy. You like Wiki right? well, Do the Wiki bro... It says Hiram Edson,"a Methodist, heard and accepted the message[Millerite message] at an evangelistic series."

 The Millerite message was about the first the 2300 day time prophecy, and at the end of that prophecy they had the events wrong, but the time calculations was correct.


So I gathered from this statement that you were implying that the prophecy regarding the IJ was preached before Edson. I reach this conclusion because you were responding to my statement that the Protestant pioneers (Wesley, Huss, Wycliffe, Kempis, Luther, ect,) all failed to understand the IJ.  Thus, if was clear in the bible these bible scholars would have obtained this knowledge. Thus, I responded by indicating that if you were going to make stuff up it is easy to win an arguement. In retrospect I realize this was inflamatory so I apologize. I am concerned because many of my brothers work hard to validate mistruths and miss the plain text of scripture.




Making stuff up does not help either.



Keith: "Could you not have told Herbert in a more Christian manner?"


 What? in regards to him saying things I never said? which is not the first time..


 Did I say something unChristian?  What was the derogatory remark?


  Now, if you can't show and prove, then your making things up Keith.. I'm being Christian Keith. These are just facts!



 Herbert: "So I gathered from this statement that you were implying that the prophecy regarding the IJ was preached before Edson."



  Right, I understand, and you were wrong... Is that o.k to say that to you? or do you believe that's not a Christian manner to say that?


 From what you "gathered", it cause you to say this,


  Herbert: "Your belief that the IJ was preached prior to Edson is simply not true. You can win any discussion if you are willing to make stuff up."



 Now we know I didn't make anything up, it was you.. hence the comment from myself, that you should look in the mirror and say that, or in other words look at yourself, because it's you who made things up by what you "gathered".



 Blessings to you both! :)



They (the children of God) will not, by their words and acts, lead anyone to doubt in regard to the distinct personality of God, or in regard to the sanctuary and its ministry. CIHS 11.5
“We all need to keep the subject of the sanctuary in mind. God forbid that the clatter of words coming from human lips should lessen the belief of our people in the truth that there is a sanctuary in heaven, and that a pattern of this sanctuary was once built on this earth. God desires His people to become familiar with this pattern, keeping ever before their minds the heavenly sanctuary, where God is all and in all. We must keep our minds braced by prayer and a study of God’s Word, that we may grasp these truths.”—E. G. White Letter 233, 1904.


The prime thought here is "by prayer and study of God's word, that we may grasp these truths." If you have a complete grasp of the subject there really is no need to study. And just because we feel confident on the subject doesn't mean we can't still learn more.

I feel the sanctuary teaching of Hebrews is one of the most promising in the entire bible. Christ as our High Priest. Not only did Christ die for me, but now He is at the right hand of the Father, ever making intercession for me. How  much more personal can you get.

Reasoning has been fighting tooth and nail to get me to understand the truth about the 2300 days. I understand his views as I have heard them all my life, But over the years I have changed views on many things in life, Dan. 8 being one of them. I respect his views and don't really feel offended about how he feels about mine, because that is between me and God. If he is at peace with the truth he has I'm happy for him. But if I am not convicted in the same way as he is It would be a SIN for me to say I concur  if not convicted fully in my own heart.

What I believe has nothing to do with your salvation, and your only responsibility is to give the message, not force anyone to believe, that's the work of the holy spirit.

I do appreciate your desire to make sure I understand the truth as you see it, but I can't give in to your understanding after years of study and prayer and feeling the conviction of the holy spirit in my own heart. Hold fast to what you believe and don't let any person sway you.

There is only One true interpretation of the Bible. Not one of us individually has it.

God bless us all and lets try to put our animosities away and learn about one of Christ greatest commandments, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER so we can grasp these truths.


Hebrews 13 explains why Jesus had to die in the outer court

Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

The earthly Sanctuary itself had an Outer Court wherein all the sacrificial offerings and the spilling of blood occurred.  But what about the heavenly Sanctuary?
     There is no mention in the Bible of an Outer Court existing in heaven at all.  And why is this?  Because Christ offered His innocent life as our Substitute and spilled His blood on this earth just one time in order to atone for ever for all of our sins.
     “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.  Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.  Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.  And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified .” Hebrews 10:4-14.

     Christ offered His righteous life and body as “one sacrifice for sins for ever” and spilled His precious blood on this earth “once for all”, and thus there is no need of any further sacrifices or the spilling of blood to atone for sin!  Since all sacrifices and spilling of blood occurred in the Outer Court, and Christ was sacrificed and His blood spilled on this earth, then this shows us that this earth itself actually represents the Outer Court that is connected with the heavenly Sanctuary, and that is the reason why there is no Outer Court mentioned as being in heaven itself.

The ministration of the priest in the first apartment, “within the veil” which separated the holy place from the outer court, represents the work on which Christ entered at His ascensionThe priest in the daily ministration presented before God the blood of the sin offering, also the incense which ascended with the prayers of Israel. So did Christ plead His blood before the Father in behalf of sinners and present before Him, with the fragrance of His own righteousness, the prayers of penitent believers. Such was the ministry in the first apartment of the sanctuary in heaven. {HF 259.2


Thank you very much for this post, I have read that passage many times but that significance has newer occurred to me. You are right in this I can see this more clearly now.

Happy Sabbath


Daniel 7.9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. (22) the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given in favor of the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Matthew 12.36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

John 5.22
For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:
5.27 And has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Romans 14.10-12
We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Cor. 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he has done, whether it be good or bad.

Acts 3.18-19
But those things, which God foretold by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he has so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 17:30-31
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: Because he has appointed a day, (can also be translated, time) in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom he has ordained; He has given assurance of this to all men, by raising him from the dead.

Romans 2:15-16
. . .Which show the work of the law written in their hearts,...In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments" for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Some say it's only the wicked that are judged, but the Bible clearly indicts that all will appear before the judgment throne of God, some will receive the judgment of condemnation, others will be judged worthy by the blood of the Lamb

2 Thess. 1.5 
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,

1 Peter 4.17,18 
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

There are judgment texts all through the NT as well as the old. The apocalyptic books of Daniel and Revelation tell us when and where judgment will take place, and need to be studied in order to see God's plan of dealing with sin in the full scope of history.

The Judgment Books and Their Records

The idea of books in heaven with our deeds and names recorded in them is also all through the Bible.

Daniel 7 --which is the most graphic judgement scene declares that thrones are set up, everyone takes their seats, God Himself takes His seat, then the BOOKS ARE OPENED THE JUDGEMENT IS SET. Christ appears in the clouds at that judgment. He is our Advocate, our lawyer according to THE APOSTLES, He is also the One who gives the final sentence on each person.

Revelation also presents books of record which contain the evidence for judgment:
Revelation 20.12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Malachi tells us about heavenly books containing our records:
Malachi 3.16-17
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spares his own son that serves him.


Exodus 32.33
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

David understood this — He desperately wanted his sins blotted out of those books and his life cleansed so he could stand uncondemned in judgment while God remained JUST in His dealings.

Psalm 51.1-4
Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving kindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. 
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. 
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psalm 51.9-10
Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

The apostle Peter urges us:
Acts 3.19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Yes, it is Important!

Jesus, shows how important it is for our names to be brought up in the judgment. Notice the parallels in His words, with Daniel 7, as names are brought up before the God and before the angels.

Matthew 10.32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 12.8,9
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Revelation gives us this promise:
Revelation 3.5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Yes, these texts, all taken together, fill in the details as we once again look in on that heavenly court scene in Daniel 7:

I beheld till the thrones were set up, and the Ancient of days took His seat. His garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Daniel 7.22 The little horn wars against the saints, Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was made to vindicate the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."

When Christ stands up, investigative judgment is complete. The book of life contains all the names of the saved.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Then the declaration will go forth as found in Revelation.

Revelation 22:11-15
The time is at hand! He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

"As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth, our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living. Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance. The Lord declared to Moses: "Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book." Exodus 32:33. And says the prophet Ezekiel: "When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, . . . all his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned." Ezekiel 18:24.

All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life. The Lord declares, by the prophet Isaiah: "I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." Isaiah 43:25. Said Jesus: "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels." "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Revelation 3:5; Matthew 10:32, 33." (GC.483)  link

Thank you Jason a great study I pray all will read this.


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