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A Response to the Action of the Pacific Union Conference Constituency Meeting on Sunday, August 19, 2012

http://www.adventistreview.org/article/5625/archives/issue-2012-152...

 

The 17 million members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church are united through the Holy Spirit in a common commitment to Christ and the truths of His Word, an urgent end-time mission, and a divinely inspired church organization. A threat to any one of these places at risk the unity of the church. It is for this reason that the leadership of the Seventh-day Adventist Church affirms the Pacific Union’s action not to change their Constitution and remain in harmony with the world church. This represents a step in a positive direction. The General Conference leadership is seriously concerned, though, with the Pacific Union’s subsequent action to preempt the collective decisions of the world church regarding ordination. Unilateral actions contrary to the voted decisions of the global church seriously threaten the unity of the church.

The world church recognizes the vital role that women play in the life, ministry and leadership of the church and encourages their active involvement. Because the General Conference Administrative Committee has already voted and commenced the most comprehensive study in our history on the subject of ordination, which will include the study of the ordination of women, the action of the Pacific Union to grant Ministerial Ordination “without respect to gender” preempts the process voted for the current study of ordination theology and practices by committing the Pacific Union Conference to a particular outcome before the study-and-discussion process is completed. It also expresses a lack of trust in the integrity of the general process accepted and voted by General Conference administrators and personnel, division officers, and pastors and lay members from all the world divisions who serve on the General Conference Executive Committee, which includes the presidents of the 125 unions representing the world church, regarding how we approach common challenges.

Further, the action is contrary to General Conference Working Policy and sets aside the 1990 and 1995 decisions of the General Conference in Session respecting the practice of ordination. The action taken by the Pacific Union Conference represents a serious threat to the unity of the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist Church, and thus, at its next meeting in October 2012, as indicated in another recent public statement by General Conference officers and division presidents, the General Conference Executive Committee will carefully review the situation and determine how to respond. In the spirit of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the officers of the General Conference appeal to all entities, organizations, and individuals, including the Pacific Union Conference, to refrain from independent and unilateral decisions and from implementing any such actions.

It is our prayer that the “oneness” Jesus prayed for in His great intercessory prayer in John 17, and that which the disciples experienced in Acts 2, will be manifest in His church today. We pray that the result of this “oneness” will be lives transformed by His grace, united in His love, and empowered by His Spirit to proclaim His last-day message in all of its fullness to a perishing planet, hastening the glorious return of our Lord.


Ted N. C. Wilson, President
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists


G. T. Ng, Secretary
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists


Robert E. Lemon, Treasurer
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

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http://www.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH18771004-V50-14__B.pdf

p.106  General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist Sessions--October 4, 1877.

Resolved, That we rescind all that portion of the .Address on Leadership passed in 1873, which teaches that the leadership of the body is confined to any one man.  

Resolved. That the highest authority under God among Seventh-day Adventists is found in the will of the body of that people, as expressed in the decisions of the General Conference when acting within its proper jurisdiction; and that such decisions should be submitted to by all without exception, unless they can be shown to conflict with the word of God and the rights of individual conscience.The Conference accepted the report of the Committee, and unanimously adopted the resolutions.

None....as a matter of record the second Resolution was cited at the Constiuency to rebutt allegations that PUC was being "rebellous".  It got quiet....apparently that was not included in the research done by the GC.

Sarah

Reread this part of the quote in yourpost.

That the highest authority under God among Seventh-day Adventists is found in the will of the body of that people, as expressed in the decisions of the General Conference when acting within its proper jurisdiction; and that such decisions should be submitted to by all without exception, unless they can be shown to conflict with the word of God and the rights of individual conscience.The Conference accepted the report of the Committee, and unanimously adopted the resolutions.

It has been shown many, many times that ordaining anyone who will is contrary to God's word.  No, not just the way I read it, but the way 1 Kings 13:33, 34 reads in plain english.

 

Also the qualifications for a pastor, elder and deacon as spelled out in 1 Timothy 3, and Titus 1, do not allow for a woman to be ordained.  To defy God in this area is no different then worshipping on Sunday or adultery, murder or taking God's name in vain.  They all are a refusal to submit to God's control of their life.

 

Maranatha :)
Ray

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.  Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.--Joel 2:28, 29.

Ephesians 4 does that.

Ilja

Many are claiming that in fact there is no text that forbids the ordination of women, when in fact there is one  It has slipped out of the discussion, but it is time to bring it back in.  Here it is.

    "None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, and none of the sons of Israel shall be a cult prostitute."  Deut. 23:17 (ESV) 

The reason why this passage has not been noticed more is becasue of a tool in translation that is being used here.

When the translators address a mother language, they have three options for conveying the idea of any word into the target language, in our case, English. 

These three tools are:

  1. Translate the word.
  2. Transliterate the word.
  3. Illustrate the word.

The most common is translation, where a word's meaning is conveyed to the target language by using a word in that language that means the same thing.  I.e. Philos i.e. brotherly love is rendered as brotherly love.

The second most common is to transliterate the word.  This where a new word in created in the target language that sounds like the word in the mother language.  An example would be the names of towns and people.  Words used for identification, not for their meaning.  The sound of the word is  translitearated into the target language.

But there are times when neither tool will work, so an illustration is used.  In this passage we have a good example of that.

The word under study here is the Hebrew word: "quadesh."  The root word means: "Set aside for a sacred purpose."  The closest that we have in English is "ordained," or "consider as Holy," etc.  So, instead of translating quadesh, the translators illustrated it, by referring to temple prostitutes. 

However, today that is lost on moderns, for the term "prostitute" has come to only mean a woman who sells her body.  While the idea was that she gave her all, prostituting it before God. 

The only situation when this was written, that conveyed the idea of total dedication for a spiritual purpose, was the temple Priestess/prostitutes/vestal virgins. 

So, here we have a firm prohibition against women being set aside for a holy purpose.

Some will say:

"Well, how about the next phrase, no son of Isreal is to be set aside for a holy purpose?  The tribe of Levi was the ONLY tribe that priests were to be taken from, and that tribe was not counted among the tribes of Israel."

The two sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Mannasah, were both named as tribes and Levi was left out, maintaining the number 12 for the tribes of Israel. 

So, in fact there is a texts that forbides women from being ordained.

 

Maranatha :)
Ray
 

I think the term "Any who will" from 1Kings 13 is eerily similar to the term  "Regardless of gender" that is being used now.

So I think thats a little closer, Biblically speaking than a verse that NO ONE even disputes.. Of COURSE God will pour out His Spirit on our sons and daughters!! But it doesnt mention ordination in ANY sense.

And neither does Eph. 4..

 

So YOU can disregard GOD'S Words on the matter of ordaining "any who will" but it SEEMS a MUCH WISER course to follow what GOD DID SAY...

 

Again, 'any who will'....And, 'regardless of gender' .. Both of these statements say the same thing.. WE will decide..

Amen....Teresa!

@ Teresa and Sarah

So the fact the one of the ten commandments that says a man is not to covet his neighbors wife but since it does not say ANYTHING about the woman not coveting her neighbors husband then that makes it ok for woman to do it since the commandment does not mention them in that light?

Just curious..............

LadyEm

A good thought, one I had not come up with yet.  Thanks so much.

Happy Sabbath!

Maranatha :)
Ray

@ llja

Just to be clear I am not for WO I personally do not agree with it.

There may be no "thus says the lord" either way but we are given many examples in the bible concerning the roles with in the religious foundation as well as roles with in the family.

We should perhaps be focusing more on family than woman's ordination to be honest because even though many deny WO has nothing to do with family it actually does because it is CHURCH FAMILY at stake here.

And I will hang my pretty little bonnet on what the bible teaches me about this :)

Blessings

Ilja

Well said!

Ray

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