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The main biblical texts that develop the requirements of leaders are: 1 Timothy 3:1-132 Timothy 2:1-13Titus 1:5-9Acts 6:1-6, and Exodus 18:21-22

I hope you know that the requirements of an ordained minister is taken from the Bible ...

Why do you speak of ordination in this context?  The giving of Spiritual Gifts, of which the gift of “Pastor” is one, is separate from ordination and job title.  

Jack what I do know is that Mary Magdalene was understanding Jesus Christs Mission while the Apostles did not.  

What I do notice is you have no respect for what EGW has said the gist of the message was this "But when the judgment of the General Conference, which is the highest authority that God has upon the earth, is exercised, private independence and private judgment must not be maintained, but be surrendered. " The Session has voted down WO 3 times You and Reasoning seem to think that is of little consequence. Maybe you think you know better than God?

Elijah,

You seem to be trying to fit me into some mold in your head.  At no point have I even mentioned or reference the GC decision, and at no point have I referenced Mrs White’s comment or my respect for it. I have, on the contrary, great respect for Mrs White’s writings and council, and rather am disappointed that you would say such a thing.  Perhaps you need to reconsider that comment.  

Reasoning, what does apply to men is the will of God! EGW wrote this:

I have been shown that no man’s judgment should be surrendered to the judgment of any one man. But when the judgment of the General Conference, which is the highest authority that God has upon the earth, is exercised, private independence and private judgment must not be maintained, but be surrendered.-Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 492. (First published in 1875.) {GRC 52.1}

3 times the WO question has been voted down by the Session and you think it counts for nothing? Maybe you know better than God? 

Peace 

 Ian wrote: "3 times the WO question has been voted down by the Session and you think it cpunts for nothing? Maybe you know better than God?"

  Bro., why are you mentioning WO? I know you think I'm trying to get you to agree to women being ordained, so maybe that's why you keep gravitating to ordination. I know I mention it umpteen times, I know brother Jack mentioned it, put ordination and the titles the Church decide to the side... Can you do that?

 Again, in case you forgot, I respect the votes that are made, so you trying to imply that I don't and that I think it's nothing makes you (with all due respect) a liar.... and your sarcastic remark that I know better than GOD is uncalled for my brother. But let me guess, your going apologize for your actions just to do it again right? Smh... 

 

  Bless! 

OK, Reasoning you feel I have called you a Liar and if I have I do apologize for that. 

And I apologize for the Discussion has taken this toxic turn it was not my intention. Diplomacy is not my strong suit sadly. 

I do remember you said that the vote should be respected. 

Peace 

Ian wrote: "OK, Reasoning you feel I have called you a Liar and if I have I do apologize for that.  And I apologize for the Discussion has taken this toxic turn it was not my intention. Diplomacy is not my strong suit sadly.  I do remember you said that the vote should be respected."

Thank you, No my brother, I called you a lair... It's a strong word and for that I apologize.

 With that being said, you have suggested things with your questions  that aren't true, I don't think the vote was nothing , I don't know better than GOD. 

Ian wrote: "3 times the WO question has been voted down by the Session and you think it cpunts for nothing? Maybe you know better than God?"

 First, Why would you even ask that? Second, why are you talking about WO when brother Jack and myself said put WO to the side for a moment?

Blessings! 

Benicio,

The Spiritual Gift of “Teaching” is far different from the Spiritual Gift of “Pastor”.  You are confusing roles/titles versus Gifts.  Many people with the title and ordination of “Pastor” do not have the Spiritual Gift of “Pastor”.  They are two different things.  I think you might need to review a little more about Spiritual Gifts and how they are received and function in the church.  One does not get a particular Spiritual Gift because one wants it, or because someone thinks you are a good speaker or leader.  

This is not a civil right issue. Let show you what is the issue with the ordaination of woman; "Like restless modern Eve, she was flattered with hope of entering a higher sphere than which God has assigned her. In attempting to rise above her original position she fell far below it. A similar result will be reached by all who are unwilling to take up cheerfully thei life duties in accordance with God's plan.. In their efforts to reach position (like ordaination of woman) for which He (God) has not fitted them, many are leaving vacant the place where they might be a blessing."  (Patriarchs and Prophets {chapter 3 The Temptation and  Fall) pg 59)

Reasoning this is the real issue. And it's not a civil rihgt issue, It's about the modern Eve of this world.

God bless.

Peace

 This quote has nothing to do with what we're talking about brother Benicio... and I find it strange how you believe the Bible teaches a woman shouldn't teach, but your using the teachings of a woman (EGW) to supposedly come to a point a woman shouldn't teach. 

 The quote you posted is talking about the position Eve was in at creation, before sin, and Adam as well. Eve wasn't content with being one and equal with Adam and having dominion over the earth, she wanted to be like GOD knowing good and evil... and of course Adam followed along.


Because of Eve's desires and actions she was removed from her natural position of being one and equal with Adam in marriage.


Gen.3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


This has to do with married people... this isn't a discussion about the position GOD has put men and women who decided to get married in my brother. This is about women being pastors, and you have taken deeper, you believe a woman shouldn't even teach. 

 let me ask you, I know there are many Adventist colleges around the world, do they allow women to pursue degrees in being a pastor? and I guess with an understanding she will never be ordained? Is that going on?

Bless! 

Hi Reasoning

If a woman wont pursue a degree in being a pastor that is her choice, but yes indeed cannot be ordain.

I do not have a problem with Sabbath teacher female. We have some heir in Aruba in the church, and they are doining a good job.

But not as presiedent, elders, and deacon. My wife is health minister in are church. Their are many things for wonam to do in the church were they may be bless!

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