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I have been looking at supposed SDA online sites. Unfortunately I am getting more and more confused with who is who..now I find this guy teaching a 2520 prophecy..and yep..by all accounts he is an SDA layman.

How many more are amongst us? Do you ever think you are reading an SDA site when in fact it's not of our teaching?

 

A Review of Jeff Pippenger’s teachings - Norman McNulty, M.D.

 

 

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After much prayer and deliberation with the all moderators, we have decided it is time to ask certain members to stop promoting the 2520 on Adventist Online.  We have studied this topic exhaustively with the best Biblical thinkers we know.  Based on what we have found, we find this supposed 'time prophecy' in Leviticus 26 to be in error.  We believe continued promotion of it on Adventist Online breaks our Site Rules & Guidelines #12:

12.  This is a site by Seventh-day Adventists for Seventh-day Adventists.  We welcome all seekers of God's truth here.  We believe that God will continue to reveal His truth to His people as time progresses.  Thus we are constantly seeking a better understanding of God and His word.  We welcome all that are doing the same. That said, if it becomes apparent that your purpose in being a member of this site is to promote a different agenda and/or sow discord among the brethren, your ability to interact with this site may be restricted.

We welcome posts on other topics.  Failure to honor our request will result in the ability to post being restricted for those members.

If a particular member does not respond to your question, it may be that they have been asked to not further promote this belief which the owner and moderators of this site believe is erroneous.

We find James White article on this matter to be scriptural and the correct interpretation of this matter.  This interpretation has been the belief of the Seventh-day Adventist Church from that day forward.  Link

We have allowed ample discussion of this topic so that all pertinent points could be made and any questions raised could be answered.

Blessings and prayers,
Adventist Online moderators

I agree that we are to abide with the rules of Adventist Online, but I also realized that those promoting 2520 were failing to prove their points. They are not a threat to Seventh-day Adventists because their points are weak and unfounded. But we must go along with the rules here and the decisions of the moderators. I keep praying for these guys that the Lord will open their eyes to see the truth. There is hope for them. Let us keep them in our prayers.

Thank You

If anyone is interested you can go to www.2520book.com/forum and continue the discussion.

I found this Interesting and in harmony with what you posted: ZAFER

  Suppose a brother should come to us, and present some matter to us in a different light from that in which we had ever looked at it before, should we come together with those who agree with us, to make sarcastic remarks, to ridicule his position, and to form a confederacy to misrepresent his arguments and ideas? Should we manifest a bitter spirit toward him, while neglecting to seek wisdom of God in earnest prayer,--while failing to seek counsel of Heaven? Would you think you were keeping the commandments of God while pursuing such a course toward your brother? Would you be in a condition to recognize the bright beams of heaven's light should it be flashed upon your pathway? Would your heart be ready to receive divine illumination?--No; you would not recognize the light. All this spirit of bigotry and intolerance must be taken away, and the meekness and lowliness of Christ must take its place before the Spirit of God can impress your minds with divine truth. We should come right down to the root of the matter presented, and should not be in a position where we shall have no love for our brother because his ideas differ from our views. If you do take this position, you say by your attitude that you consider your own opinion perfection, and your brother's erroneous. {RH, August 27, 1889 par. 5}  

When a doctrine is presented that does not meet our minds, we should go to the word of God, flee to the Lord in prayer, and give no place to the enemy to come in with suspicion and prejudice. We should never permit that spirit to be manifested that arraigned the priests and rulers against the Redeemer of the world. They complained that he disturbed the people, and they wished he would let them alone; for he caused perplexity and dissension. The Lord sends light among us to prove of what manner of spirit we are. We are not to deceive ourselves. In 1844 when anything came to our attention that we did not understand, we kneeled down, and asked God to help us to take the right position, and then we could come to a right understanding and see eye to eye. There was no dissension, no enmity, no evil-surmising, no misjudging of our brethren. If we only understood the evil of this spirit of intolerance, how we would shun it! We join ourselves to the enemy of God and man when we accuse our brethren, for Satan was an accuser of the brethren. We bear false witness when we add a little to our brother's words, and give them a false coloring; and in the sight of God we are not doers, but transgressors of the law. We are not on the Lord's side; we are on the side of him who hurts, destroys, and tears down the cause of truth. We should pray for one another, instead of drawing apart. {RH, August 27, 1889 par. 6} 

  He who keeps the word of truth abides in Christ; in him is the love of God perfected. We should be ready to accept light from God from whatever source it may come, instead of rejecting it because it does not come through the channel from which we expected it. When Jesus opened the word of God at Nazareth, and read Isaiah's prophecy of his work and mission, and declared that it was fulfilled in their hearing, they began to doubt and question. They said, "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? and his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him." They did not expect light from him, and they rejected the message of God. When he who had been born blind, received his sight, and came to the Pharisees and told them of Jesus, they said, "Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out." They settled themselves in unbelief, in rejection of Christ, though they professed to believe in God. {RH, August 27, 1889 par. 7}  

  God has commanded us to love one another. If you see defects in a brother, do not say, "I have lost all confidence in him." Have you any right to speak in that way of another? The Scripture commands us to build one another up in the most holy faith. We are to be holy in all manner of conversation. Are your minds broad enough to take in all the circumstances, perplexities, and trials of the brother you condemn? {RH, August 27, 1889 par. 8}  

 There are many whose religion consists in criticising habits of dress and manners. They want to bring every one to their own measure. They desire to lengthen out those who seem too short for their standard, and to cut down others who seem too long. They have lost the love of God out of their hearts; but they think they have a spirit of discernment. They think it is their prerogative to criticise, and pronounce judgment; but they should repent of their error, and turn away from their sins. Peter asked of the Lord concerning John, "Lord, and what shall this man do?" Jesus answered, "What is that to thee? follow thou me." We are to follow the Example. A flood of light shines upon us, and all jealousy should be put away; for jealousy is cruel as the grave. Purge out the old leaven; for a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Let us love one another. Let us have harmony and union throughout our ranks. Let us have our hearts sanctified to God. Let us look upon the light that abides for us in Jesus. Let us remember how forbearing and patient he was with the erring children of men. We should be in a wretched state if the God of heaven were like one of us, and treated us as we are inclined to treat one another. Thank the Lord that his thoughts are not our thoughts, nor his ways our ways. He is full of compassion and love, long-suffering, and abundant in tender mercy. If we have the love of Jesus, we shall love those for whom he has died. {RH, August 27, 1889 par. 9}  

Mae Ru, I think these quotes honestly can apply to just about every person that has made comments on this forum!  I know that at times I have not been Christlike.  I am sincerely sorry for that.  Hopefully this is a growth experience for all of us in Christ.  None are perfect and we are all still growing.

Also something to remember!  We are truly all strangers not really knowing each other.  Sometimes it is hard to truly understand what a person is really thinking or trying to say when they post something.  I think at times it has been obvious that a person was being unChristlike.  At other times people have been accused of being from the abyss because someone just didn't like what was being said.  Not being able to hear a persons voice can also create a problem.  I think we have all learned from this discussion and we all need to learn to be more humble and Christlike.

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Sister for your comment, this applies to us all, God Bless!

Zafer how powerful!  Thank you so much for sharing. In the first quote you gave I can't help but being reminded WHY would God hide some truth from us like these guys are supposing until now.  Now all of a sudden God is testing us with the acceptance of this message.?????

I am going to start focusing on these errors less and God's word and SOP more!

Amen and Amen!!!!!

Amen

Theodore honestly, you are probably the only person I have met (well not literally) that has not been ugly or obnoxious in your rebuttals to other people's comments.  I truly do pray we will all be in heaven.

Time is short and I pray God will open all of our eyes to what we need to help us in these last days!

Thanks, I hope we are all there as well. 

I have found that it is easy to read into people's responses things that are not there. We can imagine a tone that is much more abrasive than it really is. sometimes attempts at humour that are meant to diffuse tension create misunderstanding when we disagree. I always find that those with which I agree appear the most agreeable.

Thanks.

there were like four of us at most.  hardly a "round up the troops" scenario.  but you can make it whatever youd like to feel justified in your actions.  and just so we are clear, we did not leave any churches.  if anything, we were removed much in the same manner as you have removed us.  interesting how you take the same stance on excommunication as other organizations.
and just so we are clear, "we affirm sda" is not the official stance on sda doctrine.  however, you are free to believe that if you wish. i will not restrict your freedom of speech and thought.  the only people who took part in this discussion are people who sought it out.  its not like this was disseminated to people who wished not to know anything about it.  we were not promoting it, actually, just defending it.  we did not bring this subject up, others did.  its interesting to me how you allow your members to disgrace people's names, like jeff pippenger, but when someone suggests that perhaps that is not right, they are silenced.  perhaps you are in conflict with your own rules and guidelines.
i wonder how many of those who acted with mal-intent on your side of the 2520 were messaged about the rules and conduct of this site.  just goes to show how one-sided you are, because, believe it or not, ungodly actions were taken. but discussions about whether or not ellen white is a true prophet or not, or improper worship style are allowed to continue. it shows your true priorities. 
if you want to control conversations, that is your own issue, and you are free to do so on this forum that you have created. but i only know of one entity that seeks to control how people think, or rather, how they are allowed to think.  but i get it, you seek to protect adventism.  but it does not need your protection.  it is fine on its own, is it not?  even if what we are saying is error, clearly there are people who are rising against it.  in fact, far more than are supporting it.  it does not need to be moderated as if it is getting out of control. it shows your fear of the subject.  each person is willing to engage the topic on their own.  in fact, they are continuing the topic on other forums despite your actions to stop it.  yet you wish to force us to stop. 
at this point, remove me from the site.  it is, in essence, what you have done already.  how can i continue speaking my mind after being threatened in this manner?  am i to speak only to the standard to which men hold me to?  is that not what happened to john the baptist, or jesus, or paul, or peter, or daniel, or john, or elijah, or martin luther, wiliam miller, or anyone who has claimed to be speaking truth? dont get me wrong, i am not nearly the men that they were. yet, what authority do you have?  id like you to waive your site rules and guidelines in front of God as a justification for your actions.

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