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Recently I found myself at a church that has just recieved a new pastor. During the Sabbath morning service way before the announcements and topics and giving and songs, they introduced him and his wife. I was astounded to see the sheer Un-reverencey (if thats a word), that took place. Everyone was clapping and carrying on, and cheering. Now I understand this was a special occasion, so I brushed it off. Later a woman came before the church to tell of her grandson's story of healing from a disease, again loud cheering and clapping flooded the supposed to be quiet and holy sanctuary. This continued through out the rest of the church service and even spilled into part of the pastor's sermon. With jokes and clapping and lots of chatter I was particullarly weary of continuing this church. I came from a small town church, not that they were perfect, but we certainly do not cheer during service.

Is it okay? to be cheering like this on sabbath day inside the sanctuary?

Am I wrong for feeling this way?

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You certainly aren't wrong for feeling that way. Each person has a right to feel comfortable or not comfortable. Reverence is cultural and individual. I just don't believe there is a manual that says what is reverent and what is not. But you are free to feel as you feel. It is when we impose our 'feelings' on others that we get into trouble.

If this is going on with regularity .... what are your options? I suppose if the others feel it is fine ... you can just ignore it ... or you could try to find another church to attend.
Yeah I agree that imposing opinions on others is wrong. Im not trying to do that, simply searching for answers. Thank you
I agree we have the right to express ourselves freely, however, if you were in the presence of God tyhe father right before Him, wouldnt you be somewhat reverant? and arent you in His presence when you step into the sanctuary? Is not the word itself Sacntuary a word that means holy and reverant and sacred place? I believe what Josh says abput saving cheering for outside the sanctuary such as fellowship hall etc.
I would look for more, as I'm sure there are plenty more, but I like this event. Notice how one side did approached their god, and then how Elijah approached God.
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1 Kings 18:20-40 (King James Version)

20So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel.

21And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

22Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

23Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:

24And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.

25And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.

26And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.

27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

28And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.

29And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.

30And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.

31And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

32And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.

33And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.

34And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.

35And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.

36And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.

37Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.

38Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

39And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

40And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.
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One group seemed kinda noisy/chaotic while the other, humble, right? Notice who got results too. I'm not suggesting your church dances around and cuts themselves, but here we can see a difference as to how God is approached.

Some good advice around this post. Can def bring it up in a respectable manner, can also look to find another church, can stick around and possibly understand a few things deeper, a few things you can do as also more mentioned around.

I agree in that God should be approached with reverence. Clapping here and there so long as its made sure and confessed to acknowledge God and not the person seems good. Constant clapping, telling jokes, lots of chatter, seems like a church without order. Sounds somewhat like the church of Corinthians before Paul wrote to them.

I hope this helps :)
Thank you, yes it helps. I don't feel like clapping to glorify that person is acceptable. there was lots of chatter and joking and laughter.

I enjoyed reading you Bible text you put in. It made a lot of sense. Was this taking place inside waht they used as a sanctuary? Either way they were still before God. I don't have to participate in the cheering at church, but I am just afraid that these people are becoming relaxed or lossey goosey and losing sight of the purpose of attending sabbath worship. It seems as if announcements and other things take up more time than the actual worship.

now Im rambling :)

Thank you again
I believe they were all outside. But yes, the presence of God was sought and achieved. Yeah, I don't like it when its one way or another. People either judging or trying to convince ppl everything is ok or doesn't matter. One extreme or the other fails and its results will show that. The whole loose thing would concern me too. I've been in VERY laid back SDA churches b4 too, and although it was a great message preached, it seemed as it was to little effect looking back on it as ppl went on to do some questionable things right in the church. Idk, I just hope ppl study more and more and more without settling for themselves, including me lol.

But yeah, I've been here lookn for this verse for some time now and can't find it lol.. but I know there is a verse in Proverbs about being careful in bringing up or praising or u know... complimenting too much another person, that it could become as a trap to him. Ugh, its bugging me lol, I really gotta find it now.

You're welcome btw :)
I completly and totally disagree. and Im sad for you. It seems as if the public school has warped your views. Satan dwells there to reel in the youth. its his only chance at diverting millions of people away from truth in the end days.

I will pray that you will see the truth again my friend
yeah you souind like an sda
For the most part, to be an sda today is no different than being a member of an evangelical church,,, what makes us differ from them now except our saturday keeping? The Jews worshipped on Saturday but were they true Sabbath keepers? In what were they any different than the Romans whom they hated so much and in the end they joined hands with them to crucify the Lord of glory.

These things happened unto them as examples for us who have come to the end of the ages. See 1 Cor.10:11.

For the most part, the Jews weren't true Sabbath keepers and they accused Jesus who was the Author of the Sabbath to be a Sabbath breaker. But Jesus was a true Jew and kept the Sabbath in spirit and in truth but yet He was denounced as a law breaker. Jesus did not follow Jewish customs. He followed the voice of God.

The Lord has already told us that drums, loud noise, danses, clapping, etc, etc, would be introduced in our churches and camp- meetings as a sign of the last days.

This prophecy is found in Selected Messages, Vol.2, pp.37,38

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Well I'm 29 and i was all into rock n roll in my younger years. But then I got older and realized what it does to people and now i see how great hymns are when i couldnt stand them when i was in my teens and early 20s. Worship is suppose to be calm and relaxing. Like david playing his harp to drive away Sauls demons. Saul didnt ask for the local drum banger to drive his evil spirits away. He asked for a boy who was known for his excellent harp playing. Can anyone here jam out to a harp? Can you loose control of your body and start feeling the (vib) and wanna shake what you got listening to a harp? I seriously doubt it.
If you believe Ellen White was a prophet then you should believe her warning about celebration churches popping up all over the place in Adventist churches right before Jesus comes. But some adventists only want to see what they want to see in her writings and in the bible. They dont like what they see in the mirrior so they choose to ignore certain things.

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