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As a Christian Therapist I am often confronted with the dilemma of patients who seem to want to conquer sin on their own. They want their sin to remain a secret and conquer the sin on their own through the influence of the Holy Spirit. I encourage them to utilize the support of other loving Christians to help them with their struggle, because all of us struggle with sin and the support of others who have overcome is very powerful. Unfortunately, many patients fail to reach out and struggle alone.

So I am as asking in this forum, do you think one can conquer sin on their own or is the support of the brethren necessary?

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By conquering sin, you mean to obey the Law including the Spirit of the Law? 

Jason

Conquering the flesh (the sinful nature,) which is in opposition to the Spirit.

Leon

Leon 

so how do you concur the flesh? Try getting your answers from the bible... this might actually help you

Jason

The bible is my source, i have used little else. His word and His Spirit are sufficient for me.

For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

Perhaps we can go over this one day.

Leon

Leon 

here is a small sample

But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.James 1:25

 

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.Romans 2:13

Hello Jason

I agree with James, but he too was refering to the Spirit rather than the letter.

 

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

 

Mt. Luther was not a fan of James because he was a large proponent of salvation by Grace. However, he misread James intent. James focus was on not judging others and keeping the essance of the Law. As he quorted his brother Christ (Love your neighbor as yourself,) which indicates that when we act according to the love of Christ we naturally treat our brethren correctly. However, when we only practice our version of the law, we are guilty of the parts that we do not or cannot keep. Thus, under the guidance of the Spirit the law is not neccessary because we naturally follow the will of God.

Romans 2 in its entirety states.

If you read through Paul statement he is reminding us that if we do not seek rebirth though the Holy Spirit and accept Christ as our savior, then we will be judged by the law, both Jew and Gentile. However, if we accept Christ and live under the direction of the Holy Spirit, then we are no longer under the law, it is obsolete or uncessary.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

The Jews and the Law

17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b]

25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

 

 

Mortification?

As the Psalmist David says, we are born in iniquity. From the time of the fall in Eden, all humanity has been sinful by nature. Nothing we can do will change this. we remain so until that moment in a twinkling of an eye at the Lords return when we will be changed from mortal to immortality.

The Gospel of Jesus is that He has overcome sin for us and we can ask God to cover our sinful being with His righteousness. This is the undeserved gift of God called Grace. As Jesus says, the works He asks us to do is to believe in Him, the one that God has sent.

No human being can ease our guilt, but upon accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour we are acquitted of our guilt and from that moment on saved. Although, if at any time we deny Christ, His covering of righteousness will no longer be applied to us. We are only saved while we are in Christ.

Max

So how do we deny Christ? 

Hello Max

First, nice to meet you.

I agree that Christ has overcome sin for us. Yet, we still struggle with our sinful natures (I know I do.) And we often feel as if we are unable to conquer some sins on our own, such as addiction, or greed. Humans cannot ease our guilt but they can encourage us ( And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.) And as you know prayers from the saints are powerful. Thus, working together to assist each other rather than judge can result in powerful growth in the Spirit. People shouldn't have to hide in the shadows fearing their sins will make them pariahs. Instead they should seek help from other saints through direction and support.

Leon

Nice picture, but what does it have to do with this topic, or the post you replied to?

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