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Please compare and contrast the following verses; Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 3:3.
I was having a discussion with my freinds and a question arose which was; "Did Eve sin before she aet of the fruit of the Tree?"
We find in Genesis 2:17 God commanding Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden. But in contrast to Genesis 3:3, Eve in responding to the serpent includes a statement that does not appear in Genesis 2:17. The statement is "Neither touching the fruit."
With that we concluded that Eve actually lied because she added a statement that God did not say. Lying is making a false statement; either adding or removing, it is still lying.
So the question comes, "Did Eve Sin before She aet of the fruit of the Tree?" or if not then whats about the added statement of "Neither touching it"
Am stuck.....please help!

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It may only involve seconds but once Eve decided to take the fruit and eat it she sinned. Sin beings in the mind. She was inviting temptation by even going near the tree. Satan made it very easy for her to sin by laying the fruit right in her hand. 

Any time we intentionally invite temptation he does the same with us.

Mrs. White echos the thought that Eve misquoted God's words, and "added" the phrase, "Neither shall you touch it".

Yes, if Eve knowingly, deliberately, mis-stated what God had said, then at that moment she would have been a "false witness", and therefore a transgressor of His law -- a sinner. But if, for some reason, Eve had become confused, and innocently "added" those words, then she may not have crossed the line into transgression.

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Mrs. White's comment:

"Eve had overstated the words of God's command. He had said to Adam and Eve, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not EAT of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." In Eve's controversy with the serpent, she added "Neither shall ye touch it." Here the subtlety of the serpent appeared. This statement of Eve gave him advantage [and he made use of it]; he plucked the fruit and placed it in her hand, using her own words, 'He hath said, If ye touch it, ye shall die'. You see no harm comes to you from touching the fruit, neither will you receive any harm by eating it." (Confrontation p.14)  

She broke all ten commandments at the tree. 

Yes, although the opening question/statement relates to the timing of the event.

I suggest too, that when a sin is committed there is always a 'primary' commandment that is broken. I do agree --  they are ALL effectively broken, but again, I suggest that we should be able to point to one in particular.

In Eve's case, I believe she fell, either as a thief, or as a false witness (a liar).

OK here they are with little explanation. The ten commandments, and how she broke them 

1.    “You shall have no other gods before Me. Exodus 20:3 

      Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

She wanted to be her own god being able to decide what is good and what is evil without someone giving her a command. 

2.  “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

     Eve served the devil by obeying him 

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Romans 6:16

3.  “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. 

 

She took the name of God in vain but not believing what He told her- that she would die and ... 

4.  “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God's Sabbath was to be kept holy but they were covering themselves with leaves. I believe God and his angels visited Adam and Eve every Sabbath....  

5. 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

Their days were short upon the earth because they did not honour their father; they died on the same day they ate the fruit.

17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Genesis 2: 17

        But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 2 Peter 3:8

6.  13 “You shall not murder.

 Eve and Adam  murdered the human race by her sins. 

7. 14 “You shall not commit adultery.

They committed spiritual adultery 

 

8.  15 “You shall not steal.

Eve stole the fruit which she was forbidden to take 

 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate

9.  16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

 She bore false witness against God 

10. 17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

She coveted what was not hers 

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate

In her mind, she understood that it would be best not even to touch the fruit.  She feared the consequences.  As a result, she associated her understanding of not to touch it with the command that God gave not to eat it.  Her response to the serpent betrayed this thought but her misunderstanding was not sin.  If anything, it serves as a good illustration as to why we need to memorize Gods word verbatim, because Satan loves to twist things. 

The serpent plucked the fruit of the forbidden tree and placed it in the hands of the half-reluctant Eve. Then he reminded her of her own words, that God had forbidden them to touch it, lest they die. She would receive no more harm from eating the fruit, he declared, than from touching it. Perceiving no evil results from what she had done, Eve grew bolder. When she “saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.” It was grateful to the taste, and as she ate, she seemed to feel a vivifying power, and imagined herself entering upon a higher state of existence. Without a fear she plucked and ate. And now, having herself transgressed, she became the agent of Satan in working the ruin of her husband. In a state of strange, unnatural excitement, with her hands filled with the forbidden fruit, she sought his presence, and related all that had occurred. {PP 55.3}

Would Eve have still needed salvation even if she did not eat of the fruit of the tree? Seeing that even thinking about sinning is sin..and which ever way sin still defiles...

That is deep Muunda as I see it if it was so as James puts it:

James 4:7  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

as we know Eve was listening to a seducing Spirit and was not able to resist.

 There are some  fine lines here but thinking about  sinning (hypothetically) without crossing over and choosing to sin (even in the mind)  is not necessarily the same thing. It  is not a sin to be tempted as in thinking about sinning. In other words for a man to think in his mind " if I were to take that money I would be lost" is not necessarily the same as thinking " I  plan to or even I fantasize about my taking the money. " That crossing over can be so subtle though so as  to not even be recognized.

 I'm not sure that Eve could plan to eat the fruit ad not eat it. If Adam was there to pull her away then she might not eat the fruit just then but  since sin grows and matures it would seem that it would only be a matter of time before she went back over and ate the fruit either alone or even when Adam was with her and did all he could to stop her. God in his infinite wisdom would leave the tree their long enough for Eve to work through this and manifest either repentance or  open rebellion as she did recorded in the Bible. I believe Eve sinned when she chose to eat the fruit. However, how God would react to her mental sin is not certain in my mind. My guess is that to reveal Eves heart He would have let this go until the sin in Eve's heart was made manifest on the outside. To administer the punishment the pair experienced before Eve phyiscally sinned would have created confusion for Adam, unfallen beings and probably Eve as well.

For instance, let's say that Eve chose to eat the fruit but resisted temporarily but actually eating it. If God would have given her the same or similar punishment as the couple received after they ate the fruit imagine Adam's confusion to find that though his wife did not east the fruit she was punished by dying instantaneously or by being driven from the garden. 

Since we are all speculating my speculation is that Eve would not sin in her mind without sooner or later actually eating the fruit and that the Lord would give her a probationary period so all could visibly and clearly see the rebellion that would necessarily develop.

Just how this would unfold if she had lusted to break God's law but did not because she was stopped we cannot be certain. However, sin conceived in the mind will manifest itself. Since punishment might have been delayed until she literally ate the fruit it would seem probable that once she lusted to eat the fruit she would sooner or later be back at the tree eating it. 

In my mind repentance on her part (from choosing to believe in her mind, Satan) when there might not be any immediate evidence of penalty or punishment would be unlikely  and perhaps almost impossible.

Remember that really the only incentive the couple had (that they could grasp) not to eat the fruit was love for God. While they were told they would die, they had little idea as to what that actually meant in terms of any example. Unless God somehow revealed that to them supernaturally it would essentially mean nothing.  When Eve chose to sin, in her mind, she pretty much already rejected the only understandable barrier from keeping her from eating the fruit, that being, love and trust for God over trusting this amazing snake.

It is interesting as well how important it is to listen to and realize exactly what God says. By her adding an extra precaution ( do not touch it) she actually gave Satan an advantage. It was much easier for her to put her hand out and take the fruit when it was dropped into her hand than it was to eat it. Once she violated her own woman- made rule and saw that nothing happened it paved the way for her to take the next step. Had she not made that rule she could have just dropped the fruit on the ground and thought, " I obeyed God." Instead she thought, "I disobeyed God so why not go ahead and disobey some more as nothing has happened?"

I will say yes, Eve did sin before she ate the fruit, because it is written, "he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave." 1 John 5:10. In believing the lie of the serpent, Eve disbelieved God, and to not believe the record that God gave is to call him a liar, and to call God a liar, is to be a liar yourself. "It is impossible for God to lie."

Yes, Eve has sinned the moment she committed to follow Satan before touching thè Fruit of Life.

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