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Disfellowshiped/excommunicated for not believing the trinity doctrine

Increasingly and perhaps because of the current lesson quarterly (Quarter 1, 2017) more and more Adventists are getting to study the trinity doctrine. Previously it had been taken for granted and glossed over because pastors taught it and the fundamental beliefs had it. Additionally, more church members have access to information than before. Unfortunately, rather than leading the church to study even more, disturbing reports are being shared of members being disfellowshiped for not believing the trinity doctrine. This is polite language for excommunication which is what the Roman Catholic Church employed against heretics. Historical records show that the Waldenses were exterminated like vermin for (among others) not believing in the trinity doctrine. By some accounts, the papacy (Bishop of Rome) rose to preeminence using state machinery specifically to protect the church against heresies like Arianism. Today, the Adventist church stands tall with Rome and her daughters in propagating the trinity doctrine. Are you a seventh-day Adventist? You had better believe the trinity doctrine, or ship out. That is how it goes.

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Shannon, during the 1260 years, someone made a similar statement, to the effect that the three nations that did not believe in the trinity would perhaps be better over across the Alps or six feet under. That institution still lives in its original places except her tentacles have also crept stealthily into the Adventist Church. That said, do you think the best policy for Adventists when confronted with the truth about the trinity is to respond by pointing fingers across the gulf?

Dan, the problem with your analogy is that Adventists do have the truth about the Trinity already.  Our three most important beliefs are Monotheism, the Deity of Christ, and the Trinity.  Those beliefs are even more important than the Sabbath.  Without the Trinity there is no need for an Adventist church.

Shannon that's quite interesting. How are Adventists monotheist when the fundamental beliefs talk of three Gods who are all worthy of worship? The deity of Christ is biblical, no question on that because there are verses to that effect. How did the trinity become so foundational that "without it there is no need for an Adventist church"? That statement hardly surprises those who came up with the doctrine and made it the foundational belief of their church. That happens to be the Roman Catholic Church.

Oh no, the Trinity is not three gods, it is one God in three persons. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the doctrine. Are you a polytheist?,

One God in three persons makes at least four since in trinitarian theory all are Gods.

God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

The triune God

All the above are distinct references to God in trinitarian theory. All the above are worthy of worship according to SDA trinitarian belief.

Dan, she does have a point. 

Number 1 is not Trinitarian theory, nor Biblical.

Dan said, "How are Adventists monotheist when the fundamental beliefs talk of three Gods who are all worthy of worship?"

Dan, please be honest in your responses. The following is what the fundamental beliefs says,

"There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Gen. 1:26; Deut. 6:4; Isa. 6:8; Matt. 28:19; John 3:16 2 Cor. 1:21, 22; 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2.)"

I have mentioned before that you do not appear to know what you are arguing against. The SDAC has never talked of three Gods who are all worthy of worship. 

Once again it is an example of you inventing a straw man argument to fight against. It looks more and more as if you have taken the word of disaffected SDAs rather than actually looking at the doctrine yourself and are fighting what you have been told SDAs believe rather than looking at what the SDAC actually teaches. Otherwise it is rather disappointing that, as an SDA, you don't actually know the teachings of the church that you belong to.

  1. the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.
    **Shannon you say that our important beliefs are Monotheism which is the belief there is only one God yet you talk of the Trinity which is clearly a belief 3 divine being who are all the one God.  Monotheism and the Trinity are worlds apart in understanding.
    The following Trinity belief below uses pronouns such as He and His.
    So according to this the One God is a He, but also it say's there are three He's and they make up the one He, who is God. Our pioneers never believed this- Who God was and who and what Christ did was a foundation from the beginning.

    "There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation."
    "God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation."

    This last statement stays the one God who is 3 individual divine beings are worthy of worship and adoration.

    The bible say's we can worship God, the Father and His Son Jesus because Jesus is divine just like his Father because Jesus is the Son of God His Father has given his son His name.
    The biggest mistake ever that is sweeping our denomination is that we can pray TO and DIRECTLY worship the Holy Spirit as we do Father and Son.  This is has been talked about and taught in our church. There are books written and sold within our ABC shops saying the same things. Now the current teaching on our Sda Trinity allows this fully to happen because of "Logic" and not biblical proof they say. This is error.
    Bible texts need to be read and understood for what they say and what they don't say.
    Let's look at this well known verse,
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 
    John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  
    I will give this verse a go for the trinitarian understanding but could get it completely wrong, but here goes.
    Trinitarian belief: "For God" -The one God, He; Father, Son and Holy Spirit has an only begotten Son, that He; Father, Son, Holy Spirit sent into the World. This would imply a fourth divine person in this thinking. 

    Not Trinitarian belief: "For God" the One God who is the Father has a begotten Son, He the Father loves the world so much that He Gives his Son to die for us. John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  
    Jesus say's to His Father in heaven in John 17:3  17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.  
    Life eternal is knowing the only true God - the Father and Jesus Christ His Son.

Yes, Cheryl, you got it completely wrong.

There is no implication of a fourth being at all. You have cited your definition of a non-trinitarian belief but that is only one version of non-trinitarian beliefs.

There are some things that cannot be easily explained. Are you able to explain how the eternal co-existent Son is able to become Jesus? 

Sometimes it is a question of faith and not an ability to explain everything according to human understanding. The same problem occurs when we try and define God according to human terms.

Much is made of the pioneers beliefs but no-one actually explores what they taught, for example A. T. Jones wrote in Medical Missionary 27th March 1907 (during the lifetime of EGW),

The Holy Spirit is a Person, eternally a divine Person. And he must be always recognized and spoken of as a Person, or he is not truly recognized or spoken of at all.

Nine years earlier, R. A. Underwood wrote an article in the Review & Herald of 17th May 1898 entitled, The Holy Spirit a Person,

It seems strange to me, now, that I ever believed that the Holy Spirit was only an influence, in view of the work he does. But we want the truth because it is truth, and we reject error because it is error, regardless of any views we may formerly have held, or any difficulty we may have had, or may now have, when we view the Holy Spirit as a person. Light is sown for the righteous. Satan's scheme is to destroy all faith in the personality of the Godhead, — the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...

....Let us beware lest Satan shall lead us to take the first step in destroying our faith in the personality of this person of the Godhead,—the Holy Ghost.

Five years prior to that Ellen White wrote, 

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality.

(Manuscript Release 1487, 1893)

EGW again, MS 21, 1906,

The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.

There is a fiction that has been going around for a couple of decades to my knowledge that the pioneers and EGW did not believe in the "trinity" or the person of the Holy Spirit. This is fake history. I suggest that if you search EGW and the pioneers you will find that out for yourself.

I don't want to kill trinitarians, duotarians or true monotheists. But Trinitarians have a long history of killing those they accuse of Arianism etc. The Catholic church killed whole populations of wonderful believers, oh, and some of them who spoke in tongues. Some Zealots here judging by their hatred, would crucify me or persecute me further for speaking in tongues and not believing in the trinity.

I do not believe Jesus is God either, but the Son of God, only begotten, as God created the sperm life that untied with the egg in Mary. Jesus had to be a man, but a special man, the Only Begotten Son of God.

Dan I like what your saying about the trinity, but I think you should do some more research like I did, as I was originally a trinitarian, until I researched history, the Word and initially it took me 6 months of study to come to the conclusion, as well as many years of study thereafter on and off.


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