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Extracts from a letter written to a physician from Stanmore, Sydney, N. S. W., July 26, 1896 The perfection of Christian character is attainable. As we approach the close of this earth's history, we will find that the whole world is becoming a lazar house of disease. The transgression of the law of God is bringing the sure result.

I present the word of Lord God of Israel. Because of transgression, the curse of God has come upon the earth itself, upon the cattle and upon all flesh. Human beings are suffering the result of their own course of action in departing from the commandments of God. The beasts also suffer from under the curse.

Meat-eating should not come into the prescriptions for any invalids from any physician from among those who understand these things. Disease in cattle is making meat-eating a dangerous matter. The Lord's curse upon the earth, upon man, upon beasts, upon the fish of the sea; and as transgression becomes almost universal, the curse will be permitted to become as broad and as deep as the transgression. Disease is contracted by the use of meat. The diseased flesh of these dead carcasses is sold in the market places, and disease among men is the sure result.
A Change Must Come


The Lord would bring His people into a position where they will not touch or taste the flesh of dead animals. Then let none of these things be prescribed by any physician who has a knowledge of the truth for this time. There is no safety in the eating of the flesh of the dead animals. . . . Those who take God at His word, and obey His commands with their whole heart, will be blessed. He will be their shield and protection. But the Lord will not be trifled with. Distrust, disobedience and alienation from God's will and way will place the sinner in a position where the Lord

Let Meat Entirely Alone

Again I refer to the diet question. We cannot now do as we have ventured to do in the past in regard to meat-eating. It has always been a curse to the human family, but now it is made particularly so in the curse which God has pronounced upon the herds of the field, because of man's transgression and sins. The disease upon animals is becoming more and more common, and our only safety now is in leaving meat entirely alone. The most aggravated diseases are now prevalent, and the very last thing that physicians who are enlightened should do, is to advise patients to eat meat. It is in eating meat so largely in the country that men and women are becoming demoralized, their blood corrupted. and disease planted in their systems.

Because of meat-eating, many die, and they do not understand the cause.
If the truth were known, it would bear the testimony it was the flesh of animals that passed through death. The thought of feeding upon dead flesh is repulsive, but there is something in meat-eating: we partake of diseased, dead flesh, and this sows it seeds of corruption in the human organism. (Signed) Ellen White.

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I see early on in this thread there is one person who seems to insinuate the Ellen White was some kind of a liar sneaking around eating meat after she said no to it. Ellen White needed to grow in her understanding as well. Her later years show she gave up all meat. Meat today is far more diseased than ever before. For me, it is a risk not worth taking. I have had one cold in the 3 years I went vegan, and I never get sick. We need to keep all that EGW says in the right context, allowing also for place and time. For that reason, here is all of it:

THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADVENTIST THINKING ON CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS

BY RON GRAYBILL

THE DIETARY DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS, BASED ON LEVITICUS 11 AND DEUTERONOMY 14, IS GENERALLY UNDERSTOOD AND ACCEPTED AMONG ADVENTISTS TODAY. UNLIKE THE CEREMONIAL LAWS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, WHICH POINTED TO CHRIST, OR THE CIVIL LAWS, WHICH GOVERNED THE THEOCRACY, THESE HEALTH LAWS WERE BASED ON NATURAL LAW AND THUS NOT MERELY APPLICABLE TO ONE AGE AND TIME. THUS EVEN AMONG ADVENTISTS WHO EAT MEAT, THESE UNCLEAN MEATS ARE AVOIDED. NINETEENTH-CENTURY ADVENTISTS, HOWEVER, DID NOT GENERALLY ACCEPT THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS BASED ON LEVITICAL LAW, EVEN THOUGH THEY CLEARLY CONDEMNED PORK. {MR852 1.1}
THE PROHIBITION ON PORK WAS THE FIRST TO BE ESTABLISHED, BUT EVEN THAT TOOK TIME. BEFORE THE HEALTH MESSAGE CAME TO ELLEN WHITE IN 1863, SHE AND JAMES WHITE BOTH DISCOURAGED BELIEVERS WHO ATTEMPTED TO ENFORCE A PROHIBITION ON PORK. "WE DO NOT, BY ANY MEANS, BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT ITS [PORK] PROPER USE, IN THE GOSPEL DISPENSATION, IS SINFUL," JAMES WHITE WROTE IN 1850. IN 1858, A BROTHER IN NEW ENGLAND, DOUBTLESS S. N. HASKELL, WAS AGAIN TRYING TO DISCOURAGE THE USE OF PORK, AND WOULD MAKE ITS USE A TEST OF LOYALTY TO GOD'S WORD. MRS. WHITE WROTE HIM SAYING THAT, "If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine's flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three." {MR852 1.2}
AFTER THE HEALTH REFORM VISION, OF COURSE, MRS. WHITE DID COME OUT AGAINST THE USE OF PORK, ARGUING THAT IT PRODUCED "SCROFULA, LEPROSY AND CANCEROUS HUMORS." IT IS SIGNIFICANT THAT SHE AND OTHER ADVENTISTS WHO WROTE AGAINST THE USE OF PORK UP UNTIL 1866, ARGUED STRICTLY FROM A HEALTH STANDPOINT. IN OTHER WORDS, JUST BECAUSE SOME BIBLICAL ARGUMENTS WERE USED TO REINFORCE THE BAN ON PORK, WE CANNOT CONCLUDE THAT AT THAT POINT ADVENTISTS WERE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO A FULL-BLOWN TEACHING ON THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS. {MR852 1.3}
D. M. CANRIGHT, IN 1866, DOES ALLUDE TO DEUTERONOMY 14:8, "AND THE SWINE, BECAUSE IT DIVIDETH THE HOOF, YET CHEWETH NOT THE CUD, IT IS UNCLEAN UNTO YOU; YE SHALL NOT EAT OF THEIR FLESH, NOR TOUCH THEIR DEAD CARCASS." BUT CANRIGHT MAKES NO MENTION OF OTHER UNCLEAN MEATS, AND MAKES NO USE OF THE FURTHER MATERIAL IN DEUTERONOMY 14 ON THE SUBJECT. WHEN HE DOES MENTION OYSTERS, IN AN ARTICLE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, HE MENTIONS THEIR ALLEGED POWERS TO EXCITE "CERTAIN KINDS OF FEELINGS," AND INTRODUCES NO BIBLICAL ARGUMENT. {MR852 1.4}
IN 1870, W. C. GAGE UNDERTAKES TO REFUTE A RIVAL ADVENT PERIODICAL WHICH TOOK EXCEPTION TO THE "SCRIPTURAL ASSERTION, THAT THE SWINE IS UNCLEAN." BUT GAGE DOES NOT CITE EITHER DEUTERONOMY 14 OR LEVITICUS 11. IN FACT, GAGE REMARKS, "IF THE SCRIPTURES FAIL TO SETTLE THE QUESTION, LET REASON HAVE HER SWAY. EXAMINE THE ANIMAL, AND SEE ITS FILTHY HABITS." HE DOES DISCUSS SOME OF THE BIBLE'S TESTIMONY ON PORK, BUT HIS ARTICLE IS FAR FROM BEING A CONTRIBUTION TO A BROAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE'S TEACHING ON CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS, BEING, AS IT IS, HEAVY WITH NATURALISTIC ARGUMENTS AND EXCLUSIVELY INTERESTED IN THE PORK QUESTION. {MR852 1.5}
JAMES WHITE, IN AN 1872 ARTICLE, ON "SWINE'S FLESH," DOES SHOW THE BEGINNINGS OF A WIDER APPLICATION OF LEVITICAL LAW. HE DOES MENTION DEUTERONOMY 14:8 AGAIN, AND HE
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DOES SEEK TO REFUTE THE ARGUMENTS THAT THE PROHIBITION ON SWINE WAS A MERELY JEWISH ONE, AND THEREFORE NOT BINDING ON CHRISTIANS. HE REMINDS HIS READERS THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN WAS RECOGNIZED IN THE BIBLE LONG BEFORE THE "EXISTENCE OF A SINGLE JEW." STILL, THE WHOLE THRUST OF HIS ARGUMENT IS TO DISCREDIT THE PIG, NOT TO ESTABLISH GENERAL CATEGORIES OF CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS. HE DOES NOT DISCUSS THE BIBLICAL CRITERIA FOR THE DISTINCTION AT ALL. {MR852 1.6}
THE GENERAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS IN ADVENTIST CIRCLES REMAINED UNDEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE NINETEENTH CENTURY. WHILE ADVENTISTS ARGUED VIGOROUSLY AGAINST PORK, THE WEIGHT OF THEIR ARGUMENT CONTINUED TO BE CARRIED BY PHYSIOLOGICAL CRITERIA. URIAH SMITH EXPLICITLY REJECTED THE APPLICABILITY OF THE MOSAIC DISTINCTION: "WE BELIEVE THERE IS BETTER GROUND ON WHICH TO REST [THE PROHIBITION ON PORK] THAN THE CEREMONIAL LAW OF THE FORMER DISPENSATION, FOR IF WE TAKE THE POSITION THAT THAT LAW IS STILL BINDING, WE MUST ACCEPT IT ALL, AND THEN WE SHALL HAVE MORE ON OUR HANDS THAN WE CAN EASILY DISPOSE OF." {MR852 2.1}
FOR ADVENTISTS IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY THEN, ALL MEAT-EATING WAS DISCOURAGED, WHILE THE EATING OF PORK WAS VIRTUALLY BANNED. OTHER MEATS WHICH WE WOULD CONSIDER UNCLEAN WERE NOT SEEN, APPARENTLY, IN THE SAME LIGHT AS PORK. {MR852 2.2}
ONCE WHEN ELLEN WHITE WAS ILL, HER SON, W. C. WHITE, REPORTS THAT SHE WAS ENCOURAGED TO DRINK A LITTLE OYSTER BROTH TO SETTLE HER STOMACH. SHE IS SAID TO HAVE TRIED A SPOONFUL OR TWO, BUT THEN REFUSED THE REST. THERE IS HOWEVER, EVIDENCE THAT AT ONE POINT IN HER LIFE MRS. WHITE MOST LIKELY ATE SOME OYSTERS. IN 1882, WHEN SHE WAS LIVING AT HEALDSBURG, CALIFORNIA, SHE WROTE A LETTER TO HER DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, MARY KELSEY WHITE, IN OAKLAND, IN WHICH SHE MADE THE FOLLOWING REQUEST: "Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings, fresh ones, please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say, half a dozen cans, of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them." {MR852 2.3}
ELLEN WHITE KEPT IT NO SECRET THAT UNDER DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES, AS WHEN SHE TRAVELED OR WHEN SHE WAS ENTERTAINED IN HER TRAVELS, SHE ATE SOME MEAT. THE BOOK, COUNSELS ON DIET AND FOODS, PUBLISHED IN 1938, CARRIES HER ACCOUNT OF HER RELATION TO THE USE OF MEAT AFTER THE HEALTH REFORM VISION WAS GIVEN TO HER AS FOLLOWS: "I at once cut meat out of my bill of fare. After that I was at times placed where I was compelled to eat a little meat." THIS IS IN HARMONY WITH HER EARLIER PUBLISHED STATEMENT WHICH APPEARED IN 1890 IN THE BOOK, CHRISTIAN TEMPERANCE AND BIBLE HYGIENE, READING, "When I could not obtain the food I needed, I have sometimes eaten a little meat; but I am becoming more and more afraid of it." {MR852 2.4}
BUT BEYOND THIS THERE IS EVIDENCE OF SOME LAXNESS IN THE 1870'S AND 1880'S WHICH ALLOWED A LITTLE MEAT TO APPEAR ON HER TABLE WHEN IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ESSENTIAL. GIVEN THE DIFFICULTIES OF REFRIGERATING AND TRANSPORTING FOOD IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY, IT WAS A MUCH GREATER PROBLEM THEN TO GAIN AN ADEQUATE DIET WITHOUT USING FLESH FOODS. IN THE EARLY 1890'S MRS. WHITE EXPRESSED HER DISTASTE FOR MEAT WHILE EN ROUTE TO AUSTRALIA. SHE WROTE: "They have an abundance of food in the meat line, prepared in different ways; but as I do not enjoy a meat diet, it leaves me rather meager fare." {MR852 2.5}
WHILE IN AUSTRALIA IN EARLY 1894 ELLEN WHITE TOOK HER STAND TO EAT NO MORE MEAT, A POSITION FROM WHICH THERE WAS NO RETREAT THROUGH THE REST OF HER LIFE. SHE WRITES TO IT THUS: {MR852 2.6}
"Since the camp meeting at Brighton [January, 1894] I have absolutely banished meat from my table. It is an understanding that whether I am at home or abroad, nothing of this kind is to be used in my family, or come upon my table. I have had much representation before my mind in the night season on this subject.
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{MR852 2.7}
ELLEN WHITE'S OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE CLEAN-UNCLEAN DISTINCTION SEEMS TO HAVE GROWN STRONGER OVER TIME. IN 1864 SHE DID NOTE IN PASSING THAT NOAH WAS ALLOWED TO EAT "CLEAN" BEASTS AFTER THE FLOOD. AND IN 1890, WHEN PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS WAS PUBLISHED, SHE NOTED THAT SAMSON'S PARENTS HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO WITHHOLD FROM HIM "EVERY UNCLEAN THING." THIS DISTINCTION "BETWEEN ARTICLES OF FOOD AS CLEAN AND UNCLEAN" WAS NOT, SHE SAID, "A MERELY CEREMONIAL AND ARBITRARY REGULATION, BUT WAS BASED UPON SANITARY PRINCIPLES." FURTHERMORE, THE "MARVELOUS VITALITY" OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS COULD BE TRACED TO THIS DISTINCTION. SIGNIFICANTLY, SHE HAD NOT NOTED THIS ASPECT OF SAMSON'S LIFE IN 1881 WHEN SHE WROTE THE ARTICLES ON WHICH MOST OF THE MATERIAL ON SAMSON IN PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS IS BASED. IN 1905 SHE AGAIN EXPOUNDED FAVORABLY ON THE DISTINCTION AS GIVEN TO THE JEWS, THIS TIME MENTIONING, IN ADDITION TO PORK, "OTHER ANIMALS AND BIRDS WHOSE FLESH WAS PRONOUNCED UNCLEAN." THE PASSAGE GOES ON TO ENUMERATE OTHER ASPECTS OF JEWISH HEALTH LAWS WHICH SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE NEVER SOUGHT TO ENFORCE, SO THAT IN SUMMARY IT CAN BE SAID THAT MRS. WHITE NEVER EXPLICITLY DECLARED THAT THE GENERAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS WAS ONE WHICH SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS WERE STILL BOUND TO OBSERVE. HER STATEMENTS COMMENDING THE JEWISH PRACTICE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT POSITION, BUT NEVER MAKE IT EXPLICIT. {MR852 3.1}
ADVENTISTS OF TODAY, WITH THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEAT, NEED TO GIVE DUE WEIGHT TO THE GENERAL LACK OF SUCH TEACHING IN THE ADVENTIST CHURCH OF HER TIME. IN 1883 W. H. LITTLEJOHN, IN A QUESTION AND ANSWER COLUMN IN THE REVIEW, SAID HE WAS NOT SURE WHETHER OYSTERS WOULD PROPERLY COME UNDER THE PROHIBITION ON UNCLEAN MEATS FOUND IN LEVITICUS 11. IF THEY DID, HE SAID, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME NATURAL REASON. IT WAS ALSO JUST AT THIS TIME THAT URIAH SMITH EXPRESSED HIS STRONG DISAVOWAL OF THE APPLICATION OF THE MOSAIC LAW IN THIS MATTER, AS MENTIONED ABOVE. {MR852 3.2}
THE EARLY HEALTH REFORMERS SOMETIMES MENTIONED OYSTERS AS THEY EXPLAINED WHY FLESH FOODS WERE HARMFUL. RUSSELL TRALL, IN HIS 1857 HYDROPATHIC COOKBOOK, SAID ALL MOLLUSCA, INCLUDING OYSTERS, WERE "BAD ALIMENTS." PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR TO ADVENTISTS WERE JAMES C. JACKSON'S COMMENTS ON OYSTERS, INCLUDED ALONG WITH HIS OTHER CRITICISMS OF FLESH FOODS IN AN ARTICLE JAMES AND ELLEN WHITE REPRINTED IN HEALTH: OR HOW TO LIVE. JACKSON OBJECTED TO THE OYSTERS BECAUSE THEY WERE SCAVENGERS. J. N. LOUGHBOROUGH SAID ALL SHELLFISH, INCLUDING OYSTERS, WERE OBJECTIONABLE AS THEY CONTAINED VERY LITTLE NUTRITION AND WERE DIFFICULT TO DIGEST. FINALLY, IN 1891, KELLOGG, REACTING ENERGETICALLY TO SOME FAVORABLE COMMENTS ON OYSTERS BY SCIENTISTS, CONDEMNED THE CREATURE AS DIFFICULT TO DIGEST, THE "LOWEST OF SCAVENGERS," AND APT TO CONTAIN A DEADLY POISON, TYROTOXICON. COMPARED WITH THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL IN THE LITERATURE AGAINST PORK, HOWEVER, THE OBJECTIONS TO OYSTERS AND OTHER "UNCLEAN" MEATS IS SO MINISCULE AS TO HARDLY BE NOTICED. {MR852 3.3}
WHATEVER MAY HAVE BEEN THE PRACTICES OR UNDERSTANDING OF OUR PIONEERS ON THIS QUESTION, WE SHOULD NEVER BASE OUR OWN DECISIONS CONCERNING HEALTHFUL LIVING ON THE EXAMPLE OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. MRS. WHITE MADE THIS POINT CLEARLY ENOUGH HERSELF IN 1901 DURING AN EXTEMPORANEOUS TALK IN BATTLE CREEK: {MR852 3.4}
[Ellen G. White speaking:] "Sister White has not had meat in her house or cooked it in any line, or any dead flesh, for years and years. And here is the [basis of some people's] health reform: 'Now I have told you Sister White did not eat meat. Now I want you not to eat meat, because Sister White does not eat it.' Well, I would not give--I would not care a farthing for anything like that. If you have not got any better conviction--you won't eat meat because Sister White does not eat any--if I am the authority, I would not give a farthing
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for your health reform. What I want is that every one of you should stand in your individual dignity before God, in your individual consecration to God, that the soul-temple shall be dedicated to God. 'Whosoever defileth the temple of God, him will God destroy.' Now I want you to think of these things, and do not make any human being your criterion." {MR852 3.5}
NOT SURPRISINGLY, IT APPEARS THAT S. N. HASKELL, WHO WAS AMONG THE FIRST TO URGE THE CHURCH TO ABANDON THE USE OF PORK, WAS ALSO THE FIRST TO ARGUE A CLEAR BIBLICAL PROHIBITION ON ALL UNCLEAN MEATS, MAKING FULL USE OF THE PROHIBITIONS OF LEVITICUS 11. IN MAY, 1903, HE WROTE: {MR852 4.1}
"IN MANY THINGS THE BIBLE LAYS DOWN PRINCIPLES AND WE ARE LEFT TO EXERCISE OUR OWN JUDGMENT IN THE MATTER, WHILE IN MANY OTHER MATTERS A PLAIN COMMAND IS GIVEN. . . . IN HIS INFINITE PLAN [GOD] APPOINTED A PART OF THE ANIMAL KINGDOM TO ACT AS SCAVENGERS. . . . IN ORDER THAT WE MIGHT KNOW THOSE WHICH FEED UPON CLEAN FOOD. HE PLACED A MARK OR BRAND UPON THEM." {MR852 4.2}
HASKELL THEN QUOTED LEVITICUS 11:1-8: "THE EATING OF THESE THINGS WHICH GOD HAS FORBIDDEN," HASKELL CONCLUDED, "IS VERY GRIEVOUS IN HIS SIGHT."
"Meat today is far more diseased than ever before."

So are vegetables. But I haven't given up eating them. Yet Ellen White gave them up during her time.
Should we follow HER example?
Hello & "AMEN" Brother......I Totally agree with all of your findings.........
Thank you
oh Ellen White gave up the use of vegetables?? / although it is true today that many chemicals used to harvest crops are deadly to us they still more helathy to eat then known dieased meat which clearly gets into the blood stream and stays longer for it is poorly digested and rots in your intestinal tract long before it can be eliminated through the colon whereas vegetables are clearly cleansed and used further by the body . .. . .
Why is it necasary to try to get vitamins second hand by eating dead animal flesh when u can get the nutrition first hand directly from the source -- vegaeables grains an fruit?? IS it sound reasoning to eat diseased meat known to cause disease rather than to stay away as much as possible by faith?
I don't see it a problem getting it either way.
stop worrying about what someone else is eating and follow the bible and know what is acceptable to God when you have accomplished that say Amen. God loves all his children and want them to have a closer walk with him. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all the other things will be added. What goes into the mouth, goes into the belly and into draught. Get your soul right. Think on these things
As stated. Flesh eating Foods is not a Salvation Issue but A True Statement of Obedience Concerning our SDA HEALTH Laws, That many have never studied nor have they researched the effects of eating Flesh Foods...Especially at a TIME like this on our PLANET when foods are prepared & Grown here in the WORLD TODAY! We should wont to keep our MINDS PURE & not Numbed up from Dairy & Animal Meat!
EGW Quote
Again I refer to the diet question. We cannot now do as we have ventured to do in the past in regard to meat-eating. It has always been a curse to the human family, but now it is made particularly so in the curse which God has pronounced upon the herds of the field, because of man's transgression and sins. The disease upon animals is becoming more and more common, and our only safety now is in leaving meat entirely alone. The most aggravated diseases are now prevalent, and the very last thing that physicians who are enlightened should do, is to advise patients to eat meat. It is in eating meat so largely in the country that men and women are becoming demoralized, their blood corrupted. and disease planted in their systems.
Because of meat-eating, many die, and they do not understand the cause. If the truth were known, it would bear the testimony it was the flesh of animals that passed through death. The thought of feeding upon dead flesh is repulsive, but there is something in meat-eating: we partake of diseased, dead flesh, and this sows it seeds of corruption in the human organism. (Signed) Ellen White.
We at www.BrokenAdventist.com have a whole page dedicated to this subject of flesh eating. Check it out.

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Hey thanks Broken ...

I like your site. The graphics are super. But I am always suspicious of web site that don't say who is behind them. Do you know the names of those who operate this site? Are they members of the Seventh day Adventist Church or an offshoot group?
I am a member of the Seventh Day Adventist church. Its not hard to find out who is behind a website. Thank you for the comments about the site. I wish not to take any glory for myself but only give glory to our Maker.

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

He must become greater so I can become less.

This is why i choose to be hidden. I'm a nobody so if you knew my name or my face it wouldnt matter. You would still have no idea who i am. Just trying to do a good work for Jesus. Check out the website, if i was an offshoot i wouldn't be defending the Adventist church against them. This Ministry is for bringing back members to the church not chasing them away. :-) Have a great week N Him. By the way you stay hidden yourself. But I stay hidden for a different reason. I wish not to recieve credit or applause from anyone and choose to have my treasures built up in heaven. I am not afraid of what my church members might think, just afraid of being praised and drawing the attention from Jesus to myself.
I usually dont buy it but if it's served at someones house I just eat it except for pork and
"Oysters"?
Wow

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