Drums and other loud instruments in SDA Worship
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Permalink Reply by MURRAY J or Uncle Murray on -
IWAS WRITING TO ADD MORE BUT A GLITCH LOST WHAT I WAS SAYING! HU HU! WELL IN SHORT THEN DRUMS in the church does not lead to practising Voodoo either haha!! IF IN SCRIPTURES their is given to us instructions that tell us we can use DRUMS as a instrument of worship then by all means teach just how it is to be used then..
You can not forbid the use of something that the Lord Himself says we are to use! IN doing so you place yourself above Gods wisdom and set yourself as a Idol and is that not forbidden?, Now no 2 snow flakes are exactly alike in shape or size and no 2 church services will be exactly alike either ..
For different personalities their be different styles of worship too inbounds of how the Lord states is proper and fitting . The Problem arises when we think in our hearts drums or other musical instruments are evil instead of how it is used BY THOSE it is being played by! Each church then must themselves decide just where to set the boundries just like personal families have their own rules to their particular household!.
DO not set up iron clad rules LIKE the Pharisees of old and say thus speaks God when God did not speak at all in this term.. Find the proper context and setting before making a decision and know for sure it is not conjecture or a personal whim of your own dislike personally speaking , Check to see of how it is used in scripture or Sis, Whites writings too.
SIS WHITE will never disagree with what is written for us by scripture and to say she says we are not to have drums makes her out to be a liar and that is not soo . I am fallable I make mistakes and sometimes even knowingly SO I NOT SAYING I speak fully for God himself . TEST WHAT IS WRITTEN and see is it actually what is really being stated for All time! or just a season? . USE sound reasoning not just emotions .
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Permalink Reply by Rick Stiles on
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Here's a link to a multitude of statements by Adventists, from the Adventist Review, re hymns and contemporary songs, for those who are interested...
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Permalink Reply by Jose C III on -
Drums and tambourines are more and more common now actually. Please do not misunderstand me, but culture is a poor answer to the whole concept of why or why not. You know, in blockbuster movies, as it makes it from country to country, the words are translated. Soundtrack? No.
Music is powerful, and is over the top of culture. It will affect one as it will the same way another over time.
Well, I've actually spent a while learning about this and have found some very interesting things out. I write a little too. If its ok, I'd like you to take a look at some of the things I've been able to research and discover :)
http://peculiartruth7.wordpress.com/category/music-2/ <-- the category where u can find the different studies I wrote.
http://peculiartruth7.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/music-in-the-church-... <-- more specific to your forum
http://www.afbookstore.com/deptitem/i/EB-DRW/n/Drums_Rock_and_Worsh... <-- Interesting short book I'm reading from Amazing Facts.
God bless in your studies :)
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thank-you, but I've heard and read hours of the same reasonings from "experts". i keep waiting for sound biblical support... like that i received re the sabbath and the antichrist and the state of the dead, which were very clear and led me into the Adventist church. i also have heard the opposing support for drums and contemporary music being in used in church, a book i borrowed and will share with you, once i ask my friend for the name of it again- it very easily showed the flawed reasoning of those who oppose drums and contemporary music. // i should clarify- i AM against pentecostal like worship, understanding the unholy spirituality in that. but people with your view want to "throw out the baby with the bathwater"- and that's just silly, if not cruel, and i've seen it hurt deeply and personally some very devoted Christian brothers and sisters. i suppose that's what bothers me the most about all this nonsense....
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Permalink Reply by Jose C III on
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Friend, I have 11 written studies. 9 of them go really into the Bible. Did you read them? If not, I fail to understand how you are able to make your next remarks valid. There is Bible, SOP, and even science to help us understand what proper music in the church is to be. Here is a simple answer. It should not pull the flesh.
What bothers me the most about this "nonsense" is the other side you did not mention. A worldling from the outside will come into the "true church" one day, expecting something different, encounters drums and loud music, and turns right around, missing the most important part of church, the opening of the Bible and preaching of it.
The "I don't see anything wrong with" approach is not a good one. We are supposed to be able to discern between right and wrong. We have all we need to be able to do so ;)
As I've told others, everything changes in the Day of Atonement :)
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oops, hold it. i did read the beginning of the first link you shared. the author's first point is that because the timbrel wasn't mentioned when David adjusted things, that means that the timbrel is not acceptable to god. isn't that kind of the same logic people use when saying that because the fourth commandment isn't mentioned amidst some of the others, when in parts of the new testament we are told to obey the commandments, but lists others than the fourth, that the fourth was deleted for new testament christians? // there's way too many superhero leaps in logic from a premise to a conclusion by those who oppose drums completely in worship, from everything i've read and heard on this matter. IF there were no leaps, i'd accept your point of view and get drums out of my life, along with syncopated rhythms and what-not, because i love the lord and do what i do to please him. BUT, the many many points that people come up with to get drums out of church just aren't well made. relatedly, i think, based on what the pharisees did and jesus' response to them, that narrowing the boundaries god sets on our behavior is just as dangerous and damaging as broadening those boundaries- even if the intention for narrowing those boundaries started out, as it did with the pharisees, good. .// i will read more when i have the time, but right now i need to get to work..
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Permalink Reply by Jose C III on
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Well, friend, the 4th commandment is found in the NT. If one cannot find it then thats a problem, but I've been fortunate to be able to locate and share it w/ non Sabbath keepers more than once in the NT :) So the reasoning is not the same. But not so much that David removed it the second time around (use of timbrel), it was more so where he was. He was before the arc of the covenant. The very item to be found in the Most Holy Place in our Day of atonement. If you want Bible, thats incredibly deep and should not be taken lightly. Keep at it friend :) There is typology there, or connections from past to present. In the end, David did leave it out. In the end, this was before the arc, where Jesus is now.
Friend, if you're convinced that drums are fine in the church then thats you. Keep observing whats happening to the church cuz of it though. Especially around the younger people. Another generation or 2 of drums and we will be having that pentecostal style worship you do not agree with. Just look at the other "protestant" churches that allowed it. They were once very conservative, you know. Its trial and error, the examples are so obvious, we even have the priviledge to learn from others mistakes. But, we're not :/
Work is good :) In case I cannot get on again sometime soon, happy Sabbath :)
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Permalink Reply by Joie on -
IMO, the center of worship is Jesus and whatever you do to come to that level is your personal expression and if that personal expression would divert your worship to something else rather than JESUS, then it is wrong.
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i didn't make my point clear, about the parts of the Bible that people say, "Well, the fourth commandment isn't mentioned in this passage of the NT, along with the list of some of the others, that we're told to still keep, so therefore the Sabbath isn't meant to be kept anymore". I should've quoted. // I'M not saying that the Sabbath isn't mentioned at all- if that were the case I'd still be a non-denom Christian. // Anyway, your fears are understood by me. Your "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" way of dealing with those fears is not. // Nonetheless, I love you as my brother-in-Christ, and I'm sure you love me... and we'll get through this world and this time serving Jesus, together, albeit differently and in disagreement.
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Here's a thought, written by an Adventist pastor, in partial response to your question. I tend to agree with this pastor. There are others who certainly do not...
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