Drums in the church

Replies to This Discussion

Permalink Reply by Jose C III on October 30, 2011 at 6:17pm

Lots of interesting points. People are in fact holding on to the world, at the choice of ignoring, or doing what they can to not remember:

 

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. - James 4:4 KJV

 

It appears that there is some frustration in your answer, and I too have encountered many "Seventh-Day Adventists" who claim the name and do not live the lifestyle <-- ... lifestyle... is actually what its all about. By our fruits, we look no different to the world.. and this does include our music on many, many occasions. 

 

Music I do not think is the most important thing we should discuss... I am honestly one in life and in my talk with others who has as you say, done everything I could to focus on the 3 angels message. 1 through 3, not just the parts of them that may sound nice and soft.. but all 3. Not only that, the sanctuary message is of utmost importance in our church.. and that too is so often ignored. Some of us may be able to name some of the articles of furniture and name some basics... but are we living the experience, which btw is the Day of Atonement. 

 

See, thats where I can say a topic such as music is important, too. People are allowing celebration music with the very patterns of the world come into our church. Actually, we've allowed it, to be more realistic. It proves a lot, but I don't want to be hard. I know cuz I've made the mistakes too... but as for the "trap set" ppl dearly defend, and the modern music styles taking over.. hence this thread... I do believe we should be aware and very aware of it and take a stand for what is right, today. We have been warned: 

 

A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit’s working.... Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted.—Selected Messages 2:36, 38 (1900).

 

And btw, to whoever else may read this, when she writes, "if conducted aright might be a blessing" is not referring to how we use drums, rather, how we worship. If THAT is conducted right. 

 

KayCee... I do share your other concerns btw.. I just wanted to show that this too, ties into the 3 angels message and sanctuary. The 2nd angel declares Babylon is fallen, Babylon... confusion.. yet we listen to confusing music producing confusing scenes many times set paced by the trap set. Whats mostly frustrating is that any "refutation" of this reply will be done so, if so, by opinions and nothing else. 

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by KaySi on October 30, 2011 at 6:46pm

I actually do not know where to start. Let me say this. Maybe you misunderstood my post OR I misunderstood yours. I do not stand for drums in church nor do I listen to music with drums in it. I came from a 1st day church and know the dangers of that kind of music. I never stated that this issue does not tie into the sanctuary message or three angels. I never even stated that drums aren't an issue in the SDA church because they are. I know very well how these things tie in together.

 

My friend you do not have to try and prove this drum issue with me. It was proven years ago with no problem. If there is an issue with drums then yes it should be discussed. These topics are the majority of topics discussed. When things such as sanctuary message is mentioned, it is pushed down out of sight, derailed, or false theories come in them and drive others away. I greatly appreciate your stance on this issue. I think sometimes we focus on things that are of no value when they are singled out. For example we stress Sabbath and can't explain how it fits into the Great Controversy (not the book).

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Jose C III on October 30, 2011 at 7:40pm

I wanted to add details just in case.. I can't say I know your history. Based on how you view other issues I figured possibly where you would stand on music, but, I hate to assume, and really rather not so thanks for your reply. I did not intend to direct those comments to you, rather, only to explain some of where I was coming from generally. 

 

I reply paragraph by paragraph most times, meaning, I'll read paragraph one, pause, reply, continue part by part. I like to try not leave parts of people's replies out, so to make sure I am paying attention to them, but this time I did not with yours, I started to, but I did not.. so I'm sorry if I did misunderstand anything. Only meant to generally explain my own experience, which by the fruit of many recent replies.... has surprised me greatly. 

 

Its interesting, that we do single things out. Jewelry, the Sabbath, eating flesh food, whatever else... and don't really tie in it to exactly that.. the great controversy. I believe its important to understand what time we are living in and have our testimony (lifestyle) reflect that. We do need to be able to understand these things in the overall context of the great controversy. 

 

After all, the enemy is using subtle, not obvious traps... 

 

I believe we are in agreement. 

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Scott on November 1, 2011 at 2:29pm

Amen, Kaycee, grace and peace.

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Rick Stiles on October 31, 2011 at 5:25pm

For those who think Jose has all the answer, or think Jose thinks he has all the answers, I'd suggest the book: http://www.youth-ministry.info/The-Contemporary-Christian-Music-Deb...  yep. that's what i'd suggest.

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Jose C III on October 31, 2011 at 7:21pm

Thank you for your suggestions. I don't have all the answers btw, but I do encourage people to investigate. So yeah, feel free people to look into Mr Stiles' link... look at all the info there and some of the links above as well and make an intelligent decision with much prayer coming before. By all means...

 

So long as we're not making worship about what makes US feel good instead of remembering its about God and remembering we are in the Day of Atonement then by all means. 

 

As long as its not opinion based and brings a sense of emotionalism and an "its all good" attitude, then by all means. 

 

As long as its not outside charismatic 1st day churches teaching SDAs how to do our job.. then by all means. 

 

As long as its Biblically founded with SOP behind it, then by all means. 

 

Because anything else would be a waste of our precious, soon ending time. 

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by jackkson kato on February 20, 2013 at 6:48pm

look here and say something

• ▶ Reply

• ‹ Previous
• 1
• …
• 59
• 60
• 61
• Next ›
• Page