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Is music with drums along with rock/jazz/blues styles OK for worship in church? As long as the lyrics are good, what’s the problem? Does Ellen White have any light on the subject, or does she not speak to modern times?

It is impossible to estimate too largely the work that the Lord will accomplish through His proposed vessels in carrying out His mind and purpose. The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. {2SM 36.2}
The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit's working.
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THE FOUNDERS OF SDA SET THE TONE FOR HOW THEY BEST THOUGHT THE CHURCH SHOULD BE.  SOMETIMES IT WAS MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT THE BIBLE CALLED FOR.  SUCH AS WITH MUSIC:  WE ALL GREW UP WITH BASICALLY THE PIANO AS THE ONLY INSTRUMENT IN CHURCH AND ANYTHING ELSE WAS KINDA "WILD"  BUT THE BIBLE IS NOT LIMITED IN SUCH MANNERS.

This is a good point Gabe. I think God knew this when He told us we could use drums.

I will follow God rather than extreme conservatism.
YES .... !!!!!

It IS indeed !!!!!

But it was predicted by Ellen White that there would be those like that. The issue of Righteousness by Faith will be formost in the end times.
Hello & good morning to all………….. I will add this to say that we are not to be “Driven as a Purpose Driven CHURCH”. This Theology has creped into our CHURCHES & is not what our Original For Fathers & Sister ever envisioned our CHURCH as becoming. We are to keep the Original Standards that our Fore Fathers & Sisters had established for our CHURCH (SDA).
We are to be a A Special Unique & Peculiar kind of Christian Believers as we call our selves the REMNANT, then we are to be that type of example. Remember not everyone can handle the strict requirements of being a SDA, due to their comfort zones & the WORLD Standards of Worship Services. ..
good point em, God calls us to be separate and holy. Rock and roll with drums belongs in the nighclubs with every other form of dissapation, not in the Church of the Living God.
I forsake the world and its sin, and it follows me right into the church, loud and proud A perfect example of the annoying persistency of Satan as he seeks to drag us into the flames.
I disagree, the rock music is a continuation of the former lifestyle.Ellen white is very clear, no drums in church, if we needed special worldly things to attract the youth, she would have said so.
It does seem like a good idea at first glance to give the youth want they want just to get them in church. However most people youth included, may not know what is really good and edifying, and what is not. They just go with what "feels good" the senses rule, not the word of God.
Rick Warren brags his church is the "church that rocks" sadly too many SDA pastors and youth leaders lacking wisdom have gone there and copied his methods. Packing the church with worldly activities does not mean souls won for Christ, it means just the opposite.
Who says that drums belong in nightclubs and not the church. Certainly not God. God encouraged drums. They can be used as Gabe has mentioned. They can be God's tool.
it sounds like you may be speaking for God, it may be helpful to know what God really says about reverencing Him in His sanctuary before you decide to put words in His mouth.Attaching human thinking to Gods ways will never work
i suggest proving from the Bible and the Spiritof Prophecy God encourages drums and rock music in the church. If you use Ps. 150, be prepared to be challenged for in-depth interpretations
God does not whatsoever encourage drums in His Word. The drums we are talking about here is typically the trap set.
Just to inform you the trap set was invented to be one of the primary driving instruments in jazz, rock and roll...etc of which were not even around back then.
There is proven evidence from scientific studies that shows that the type of music that the trap set is used to accompany and be a main factor in does harm to us physically. The type of music is rock and one basic explanation of why this style of music is not good for you is because the rhythm and emphatic rhythms are not natural; basically your body's rhythms try to be in-sync with these rhythms when exposed to/in them. This does harm.
My 2 cents worth.
Amen!
Drums were never used inside the sanctary, only a hand drum outside, as a serious study will show.
3. DRUMMING OR USE OF DRUMS IN WORSHIP SERVICE

The Bible is not opposed to the use of musical instruments in the Seventh-day Adventist church. In fact, Mrs. White encouraged the tasteful use of musical instruments. However, she was emphatic that it is better never to have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to create “a bedlam of noise” that shocks the senses and perverts the worship. “The Holy Spirit never reveals [Himself] in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise.” (2 Selected Messages, p. 36).

She stressed that music suited to the stage was foreign to the worship context. Forced or strained vocal deliveries that emphasize loudness, along with undignified, unrefined gestures and “acting attitudes,” are out of keeping with the worship atmosphere of Heaven. The “softer,” “finer,” “sweeter,” “more silvery strains” are “more like angel music,” whereas opposite attributes tend to be driven by self-centered “love of praise.” (3 Selected Messages, p. 335).

The specific issue we want to address is should drumming be a legitimate part of worship service. Does it have any use at all the religious life of the church. Space limitations will only permit a brief discussion here.

Musical Instruments in the Bible. Among the prominent musical instruments mentioned in the Bible are: harp, lyre, cymbal, trumpet, ram’s horn (shofar) and drums. Of these, the drum is the focus of our interest. In Scripture, whether it is referred to as tambourine, timbrel or tabret, it simply means a “hand-drum.” Our study will show that in every reference of its use in the Bible, drums were used outside the sanctuary service—in a common type of setting (e.g., social settings or festive celebrations).

a. Sanctuary Worship. The Lord specified three types of instruments to be used by the Levites in the Sanctuary. These are: harp, lyre [or stringed instrument], and the cymbal (1 Chronicles 25:1).

Note: The drum is not mentioned. Of the three instruments mentioned, the harp and lyre were, essentially, the same type of stringed instrument. They were both harps. One (the harp) played the higher register while the other (the lyre) played the lower range. The only percussive instrument listed is cymbal, an instrument that was apparently used to mark the pauses or intermissions. Some Bible scholars speculate that the term “Selah,” which is often found in Psalms, may have indicated the place where the cymbal was struck.

The same three musical instruments are mentioned in 1 Chronicles 25:6, with added instruction that the chosen musicians were to be under the instruction of their fathers (men of music, and most importantly, spiritual excellence).

In 2 Chronicles 29:25, during the time of Hezekiah, it is made very clear that the instruction regarding music, musical instruments, and musicians originated with God Himself. It reads:

“And he stationed the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with stringed instruments, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, of Gad the king’s seer, and of Nathan the prophet; for thus was the commandment of the LORD by His prophets” (2 Chron 29:25).

b. Assorted “Drums Texts” in the Bible. Though drums were apparently NOT employed in the sanctuary service, they were used in festivals and celebrations outside of the sanctuary. Here are some relevant texts:

1.Genesis 31:27—Laban’s words to Jacob. Drums (tabrets) to have been used in farewell celebration.
"Why did you flee away secretly, and steal away from me, and not tell me; for I might have sent you away with joy and songs, with timbrel and harp?"

2. 1 Samuel 10:5-6—Samuel predicts that after Saul’s anointment, he would be met by prophets playing various musical instruments (including drums or tambourine).
“5After that you shall come to the hill of God where the Philistine garrison is. And it will happen, when you have come there to the city, that you will meet a group of prophets coming down from the high place with a stringed instrument, a tambourine, a flute, and a harp before them; and they will be prophesying. 6 Then the Spirit of the LORD will come upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man.”

3. Job 17:6—the Hebrew word used for what the King James Version refers to as “tabret” is the word tophet, which refers to an act of “spitting.” Apparently, the word tophet was confused by the translators with the word toph which means a “hand drum.”
“But He has made me a byword of the people, And I have become [as a tabret, KV] one in whose face men spit (NKJV).”

4. Job 21:11-14—Context refers to celebration outside the sanctuary
“1 They send forth their little ones like a flock, And their children dance. 12 They sing to the tambourine and harp,And rejoice to the sound of the flute. 13 They spend their days in wealth, And in a moment go down to the grave. 14 Yet they say to God, ‘Depart from us, For we do not desire the knowledge of Your ways.”

5. Psalm 81:2—Refers to the celebration of the exodus and the Lord’s victory over the Egyptians. It was outside the sanctuary.
“Raise a song and strike the timbrel, The pleasant harp with the lute.”

6. Isaiah 24:8—refers to the sound of music ceasing at the desolation of the earth.
“The mirth of the tambourine ceases, The noise of the jubilant ends, The joy of the harp ceases.”

7. Jeremiah 31:4—God’s promise of restoration and a description of the celebration that would be expressed by the children of Israel upon their return from the Babylonian captivity.
“O virgin of Israel! You shall again be adorned with your tambourines, And shall go forth in the dances of those who rejoice.”

8. Ezekiel 28:13—reference to the musical ability of Lucifer before his fall.
“You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.”

c. “Drum Texts” Associated with Disobedience
Isaiah 5:11-13—Disobedience of Israel
1 Chronicles 13:7-10—David disobeyed God’s commandment about how the ark was to be transported. When he repented, he did the right thing. But this time drums (trimbrels) NOT included (see 1 Chronicles 15:12-24).

d. “Drum Texts” Associated with Battle
Exodus 15:1-5, 20-21—In connection with the victory over the Egyptians at the Red Sea

Judges 11:34—Jephthah’s daughter met her father “with trimbrels and with dances.” The celebration was in response to the victory in the battle over the Ammonites.

1 Samuel 18:6, 7—Celebration of the women after David killed Goliath

Isaiah 30:31-33—Celebration over the Lord’s victory over the Assyrians.

Psalm 149—Drums used in celebration of God’s victory over all his enemies. (For a further discussion of Psalm 149 and Psalm 150, see the next section on dancing).

Psalm 150—For some, verse 1 presents a problem because it speaks of praising God “in His Sanctuary.” However, Psalm 150 is the final great finale to the Hallelujah series of Psalms that commence in Psalms 146. Psalm 150 concludes this series with a final call for everything (whether on earth or in heaven) that has breath to join in the praise anthem of God. Verse 1 is simply an invitation to those in heaven (the heavenly sanctuary) to worship God in “the firmament of His power” (see SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 3, p. 941, revised ed.). The text reads: “Praise God in his sanctuary [which is in]: the firmament of his power.”

These “battle drum texts” emphasize the celebration that takes place when God granted victory. But some will say, we must use drums and dancing in the church to celebrate the victories God has given us in our spiritual battles over sin. The question is: Did the Israelites win spiritual battles over sin in their lives? How come the bible doesn’t give a record of that. It is interesting that there is no reference to drums (timbrel) being used in the New Testament. Historical records showed that drumming and dancing were banned because of their association with common and profane things.

NOTE: We’re not suggesting that drums/dancing are wrong in themselves. All we’re saying is that they were not used in the sanctuary, but only during festive occasions. Drums were not part of the prescribed musical instruments for worship.

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