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E.G.W. DIRECTED SDA NOT TO PURSUE GOD'S MIRACLES BECAUSE OF COUNTERFEIT MIRACLES

The following was copied from section of Charimatic Experiences In Early Seventh Day Adventist History by Arthur L. White.. See PDF.

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However, just as other special blessings made possible through the Holy Spirit have been counterfeited, so have miraculous healings been counterfeited. Ellen White warned:

"Let none cherish the idea that special providences or miraculous manifestations are to be the proof of the genuineness of their work or of the ideas they advocate. . . . "Satan will work in a most subtle manner to introduce human inventions clothed with angel garments. But the light from the Word is shining amid the moral darkness; and the Bible will never be superseded by miraculous manifestations. The truth must be studied, it must be searched for as hidden treasure. Wonderful illuminations will not be given aside from the Word, or to take the place of it. Cling to the Word, receive the ingrafted Word, which will make men wise unto salvation. . . .

"The wonderful, the marvelous, will be represented and presented. Through satanic delusions, wonderful miracles, the claims of human agents will be urged. Beware of all this. "Christ has given warning, so that none need accept falsehood for truth. The only channel through which the Spirit operates is that of the truth. . . . Our faith and hope are founded, not in feeling, but in God." --Selected Messages, book 2, pp. 48, 49.

She explained why we cannot depend on miracles today, though Christ often worked through miracles:

"The way in which Christ worked was to preach the Word, and to relieve suffering by miraculous works of healing. But I am instructed that we cannot now work in this way, for Satan will exercise his power by working miracles. God's

servants today could not work by means of miracles, because spurious works of healing, claiming to be divine, will be wrought.

"For this reason the Lord has

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marked out a way in which His people are to carry forward a work of physical healing, combined with the teaching of the Word. Sanitariums are to be established, and with these institutions are to be connected workers who will carry forward genuine medical missionary work. Thus a guarding influence is thrown around those who come to the sanitariums for treatment."--Ibid., p. 54. (Emphasis supplied.)”

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I have had this information of EGW deciding SDA not to pursue God's miracles for some time now. I shared with two SDA friends who are of the more reasonable and open to the truth type people, to their credit. They were somewhat shocked. I told them I understand because I had to find out the truth about a ministry I was involved in, that truth is truth.

I was not going to publish anything about this as it can hurt people, which truth is not always easy to swallow. But owing to Elijah's continued blasting me as being Satanic, and that people need God's miracles as well as the other manifestations of holy spirit, which EGW quenched being against first speaking in tongues, and its interpretation, and now low and behold, she was against God's miracles because of counterfeit miracles. Well since the fall of Lucifer, there has always been counterfeit.

So Elijah's continued hatred and denial of both scriptures and Greek words that are indisputable, and most importantly that I realize that believers including SDA need these manifestations as we are entering into the end times. God's manifestations counter the manifestations of the Devil and bring God's deliverance to His people, guide them, edify, exhort and comfort them, empower them and the demonstration of God's power in love reveals the goodness of God and the badness of the Devil.  

EGW had no authority or right to keep or persuade believers from pursuing God's miracles or any genuine manifestation of the spirit of God for that matter. This is why the power of God is seldom seen in SDA churches or gatherings, as well as hardly seen in general Christianity due to unbelief, quenching the spirit and fear of the counterfeit. If there is a counterfeit there must be genuine! Do not get mad at me for exposing the truth. Get mad at Elijah, as I have the greatest respect for the Adventist Health System. as I am in treatment right now with them. But Elijah again called me Satanic after I only quoted scriptures and Greek words accurately. 

Here is what Elijan stated "The difference Between EGW and you are EGW was Guided by God to write her books, She was referring to bible texts all the time. While your only guide is Satan!"

But God's miracles and all other manifestations (eight others) which are not gifts, but abilities every believer has by the holy spirit should be pursued and employed correctly by the whole body of Christ. Whether EGW is a genuine prophet or not, I leave that to your judgment?

I am not happy about revealing this information. Often the truth hurts, but truth is truth. Elijah's outrageousness and the importance of truth over how people will manifest further hatred and the importance of the holy spirit and that God's purposes be not hampered, I now post this difficult information. 

There is no truth anywhere near you!

James wrote, "But owing to Elijah's continued blasting me as being Satanic,..."

It is rather pathetic to try and blame Elijah for your decision to post this thread. Do you really have such a lack of self control?

Your decision and motivation to post seems to bear witness that Elijah may well be correct about the spirit that drives you. So much for your claim that you will not respond to him. Yet, in spite of yourself, you write a thread that exposes you and your false teachings - God is not mocked by you.

James said, "I am not happy about revealing this information."

That does not surprise me. It exposes your Gnosticism for what it is. The message that EGW gave is a Biblical one and aligns with what Paul wrote about "another gospel". When someone comes preaching another gospel and denying Christ's words it doesn't matter what miracles they claim - they are not of Christ and the spirit that they claim cannot be Christ's. False tongues, advocacy of commandment-breaking and continued bearing of a false witness and misrepresentation of Christ all point to another gospel and another spiritual source.

You would do well to read Ellen White's writings as they reveal the source of the teachings you proclaim and they would steer you into the right path were you humble enough to receive them.

As God's messenger writes:

"We must not trust the claims of men. They may, as Christ represents, profess to work miracles in healing the sick. Is this marvelous, when just behind them stands the great deceiver, the miracle worker who will yet bring down fire from heaven in the sight of men?
Nor can we trust impressions. The voice or spirit that says to a man, You are under no obligation to obey the law of God; you are holy and sinless, while he is trampling on the divine law, is not the voice of Jesus; for He declares: “I have kept my Father's commandments” (John 15:10). And John testifies: “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:4).
Then how can these manifestations of great power, and these wonderful impressions, be accounted for, except on the ground that they are given through the influence of that miracle-working spirit that has gone forth to deceive the whole world, and infatuate them with strong delusion that they shall believe a lie? He is pleased when men and women claim to possess great spiritual power, and yet disregard the law of God, because through their disobedience they mislead others, and he can use them as effective agents in his work." (The Signs of the Times, July 21, 1887.)

I implore you, even as you respond with more venom and hatred, take heed of what you attempt to condemn and give your heart to God.

JohnB:

I was honest in my reasons for posting the awful truth that E.G.W. chose not to pursue God's miracles because of counterfeit miracles. Yes, I do not like to be called Satanic, especially by those who have never been a witness to the manifestations of holy spirit, and who have never manifested holy spirit, and therefore have no true understanding. Even the scriptures on the subject of the manifestations are not generally deeply understood by the majority of Christians, as well as SDA.

But I came to the conclusion, and rightfully so, that the manifestations of holy spirit, which have been mostly not operated by the majority of Christians since the first-century church are crucial in these end times we are approaching, as we are already in the apostasy period.

My initial anger subsided as I thought about what is at stake? God's Word and God's power which He established on the Day of Pentecost by the receiving of the holy spirit which resulted in the first manifestation of holy spirit of speaking in tongues, which was and is a Divine sign even unto this very day. That is because no one can speak in languages that they have not learned WITH FREEDOM OF WILL, except that they have been born again by the new birth and desire and believe to speak in tongues as well as to operate the other manifestations of holy spirit. 

The fact that most Christians have been misled by Christianity's majority that the manifestations are gifts, which they are not which prevents most from manifesting the power of God in love and delivering etc. God's people, because they believe they do not have the so-called "gift of tongues, interpretation etc.

But the fact that E.G.W.'s own relative documents the fact that she turned away from the holy spirit and following what Jesus, Paul, and the first-century church operated which was not only miracles but also the other 8 manifestations, is proof that she went against God's will which has not changed. There is no record in the Bible of counterfeit tongues, though this developed sometime later by the Devil. 

If you cannot see the importance of God's miracles and the other manifestations and that they should be sought after, and not rejected because of the counterfeit, well you have agreed with E.G.W. in rejecting speaking in tongues, its interpretation as well as miracles but have denied God's Word and his desire that we seek his help for ourselves and others by operating all the manifestations of holy spirit as was seen in the first century church. God has not changed His desire and until the sacred secret period ends, in Revelation 10:7 when time will be no more, only then when that which is perfect has come and we are fully perfected in Christ by entering eternal life, will these manifestations not be needed nor used.

Your accusation of Gnosticism is false as my reference to the sacred secrets is the meaning of the Greek Word musterion which was unfortunately transliterated "Mystery" and not translated from Greek into English.  These sacred secrets were given to Paul directly by the revelation of Jesus Christ, as they were hidden in God since the foundations of the world.

I have specialized in the musterion given to Paul and the manifestations of holy spirit which took many years of learning and walking with God to learn and grow in these areas, which continues to this day.

I have nothing to gain for myself being here, except the constant hatred and attacks by Elijah and a few others. The majority of SDA here on this site have been very kind and do not enter the fray of attacking or back-biting. I have many friends here as well as SDA that I have made friends at church and elsewhere.

General Christianity and SDA in particular are greatly lacking in these areas that I have specialized in. If they were not, we would see  the operations of the manifestations on a regular basis. Even the admonition that believers have prophecy in the assemblies of believers has not been followed. That is wrong acccording to scripture as well as the other manifestations be utilized, as Paul said "forbid not to speak in tongues" etc.

The walking by the holy spirit in love and in the power of the holy spirit is how we as believers are supposed to walk. You do not address Elijah's continued hatred and calling me names such as "happy clapper" and you agree with him without Biblical reason or revelation of discerning of spirits nor of being a witness present as a witness to my manifesting holy spirit, so you also are bearing false witness not having personally witnessed what I am doing and just brand me "Satanic."

What is easier, to brand someone Satanic or to say Rise up and walk, or take up your bed as Jesus said?

I was personally involved in assisting in a great miracle and healing of a person walking for the first time in seven years way back in 1977. Jesus, Paul and the first-century church performed miracles etc. as God confirms His Word with the demonstration of the spirit which also is a witness and a testimony and are also signs that lead others to Christ and most importantly deliver and heal believers and shows God's great love.

Dead churches with no operation of the holy spirit is not God's desire. Nor is it God's desire that E.G.W. or anyone neglect and turn away from God's miracles or the other manifestations of holy spirit. If you take the miraculous and great supernatural out of the Bible, you have not much. Likewise, when believers neglect walking in the power of God, they miss out on a great part of what God desires for believers in the body of Christ. The separation of SDA and other denominations is a great work of the Devil, as spiritually there is only one body of Christ. 

Regardless of what you think of me, I am a believer in God and a part of the body of Christ and I am an able minister of the Gospel. I say this not to self-glorification, but it is true as I know in whom I have believed, and who has delivered me from death countless times. Those that refuse to walk by the spirit often attack those that do. 

Gal 3.2: "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal. 3:5: "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Finally, you JohnB accuse me of many things while you continue to refuse to confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and that he is the Son of God and that God raised him from the dead, That which is a test of the spirit of God or the spirit of antichrist is present according to the Apostle John, to which I openly confess the above that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, is the Son of God and that God raised him from the dead.

What are you afraid of? Those with the spirit of antichrist cannot confess that Jesus came in the flesh and is the Son of God. You refuse to do so, why?

James, you are a gnostic, a Liar and a spawn of satan 

James said, "But the fact that E.G.W.'s own relative documents the fact that she turned away from the holy spirit and following what Jesus, Paul, and the first-century church operated which was not only miracles but also the other 8 manifestations, is proof that she went against God's will which has not changed. There is no record in the Bible of counterfeit tongues, though this developed sometime later by the Devil. 

If you cannot see the importance of God's miracles and the other manifestations and that they should be sought after, and not rejected because of the counterfeit, well you have agreed with E.G.W. in rejecting speaking in tongues, its interpretation as well as miracles but have denied God's Word and his desire that we seek his help for ourselves and others by operating all the manifestations of holy spirit as was seen in the first century church."

EGW wrote, "we cannot now work in this way" - the emphasis being on the *now* in that statement. She stated that they could not work in that way at that time. In regard to a different, later, time she wrote,  "Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and wonders will follow the believers." (The Great Controversy, p.612). Her advice was specifically for that time and the work was to be combined with the teaching of the word. This was to be distinct from the false miracles of healing that were taking place at the time - just as we still see in the apostate churches of today. What you have done is take her advice out of context in an attempt to destroy her teachings.

You then go on to impose her statement completely out of context in regard to tongues. In the SDA Church we continue to reject the manifestations of the false spirit, such as the speaking in unknown tongues as practiced in the fallen churches. However, we have always accepted the true practice of known tongues by God's supernatural power, as and when He deems necessary. Not as a parlour trick to be controlled by the practitioner nor as a test of closeness to Christ. Which brings me to the next point:

James said, "Finally, you JohnB accuse me of many things while you continue to refuse to confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and that he is the Son of God and that God raised him from the dead, That which is a test of the spirit of God or the spirit of antichrist is present according to the Apostle John..." etc., etc.

I call you out for what you are and for what you have demonstrated since you deceptively entered this forum. You continue to make anti-SDA posts in this whilst claiming (by the act of posting) to uphold the beliefs and teachings of the SDA Church. You also deny Revelation that states that God's people will keep the commandments of God. By these acts - and particularly your advocacy of refuting the 4th commandment - you expose yourself. You continue to promote Gnosticism, the idea of secret or hidden knowledge of God as well as "using" the Spirit of God as opposed to the Biblical doctrine of Christ revealing Himself to all and His followers being used by the Spirit. You compound this further with your obvious misunderstanding of the passage that you are trying to quote against me and thereby attempting to test me by making your own "shibboleth".

It is so sad that you continue to try and justify your own failings by trying to raise yourself above others. When you are converted and have humbled yourself you will accept that Christ did not lie when He said that the sign of loving God is the keeping of His commandments. Otherwise, you misunderstand Ellen White's writings making your assumed wisdom into foolishness.

The only "revelation" given here is that you have not understood what you have read. I suggest that you go back and read in context and stop trying to pull one phrase out of context.

"counterfeited" is the key word here....

UNBELIEF IN THE HOLY SPIRIT MANIFESTATIONS AND INABILITY TO DISCERN BETWEEN THE GENUINE AND COUNTERFEIT BY E.G.W. AND YOU ALSO. YOUR PROPHET DECIDED NOT TO WORK THE WAY JESUS IN WORKING OF MIRACLES AND HEALING BY HER OWN ADMISSION.

SHE HAD NO RIGHT TO DECIDE AGAINST THE WORKING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHAT KIND OF A PROPHET TO GO AGAINST GOD’S MANIFESTATIONS.

SDA HAS NO UNDERSTANDING, TRADITION, EXPERIENCE, OR MENTORS OR EVEN DESIRE TO OPERATE THE NINE MANIFESTATIONS OF HOLY SPIRIT. E.G.W. WENT AGAINST GOD’S MANIFESTATIONS, AND ESTABLISHED INSTITUTIONALIZED UNBELIEF AND QUENCHING OF THE SPIRIT AND STANDS TO THIS VERY DAY AGAINST GOD’S SPIRIT. 

THE LEADERSHIP IS TO BLAME, BUT ALSO THE FOLLOWERS WHO CAN DECIDE TO BELIEVE GOD NOT E.G.W.

THE HOSPITALS ARE GOOD, THE DENIAL OF GOD’S DELIVERANCE THROUGH THE NINE MANIFESTATIONS OF HOLY SPPIRIT IS VERY BAD; EVIL IN FACT.

I COR. 12:7 BUT THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SPIRIT IS GIVEN TO EVERY MAN TO PROFIT WITHAL.

E.G.W. HAD NO AUTHORITY TO DENY AND OPPOSE THE GOOD AND PROFITABLE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. THIS IS EVIDENCE OF GOING AGAINST JESUS, PAUL THE APOSTLE, THE WORD OF GOD DIRECTLY.

NONE OF YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAY JESUS WORKED BY HER. SHE RESORTED TO ONLY PHYSICAL MEANS OF HEALING BY HER OWN ADMISSION. THESE INSTRUCTIONS DID NOT COME FROM GOD, AS GOD WOULD AND DID NOT DENY HIS OWN WORD AND MANIFESTATIONS. 

SCREAMING again James did someone hurt you? EGW was appointed as a Prophet maybe you do not know Prophets come with different missions, and hers was to point out falsehood like yourself. 

 

Yes thanks for posting she describes happy clapper meetings with all their satanic displays. And all the miracles you claim to have performed are a prime example of what she writes about.

 

Deuteronomy 19:15

“One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.”

King James Version (KJV)

You two have never witnessed anything in person that I have done including the manifestations, nor have you attended any meetings that I have attended, held or run. You lie and fabricate. But E.G.W.'s own words convict her of quenching the holy spirit and denial of God's miracles, and her inability to determine truth from error, or counterfeit from genuine. You both follow in her footsteps. Your judgment fails, and you are a false witness, bearing false witness as you never witnessed me in person do anything. In ancient Israel your false accusation and not having been a witness in person would be punishable by death by stoning. You are evil, speak evil and support evil.

We do not need to see any so-called miracles from you, EGW pointed you out as the spawn of the devil and so you are. 

 

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