Quetsion: If You Were Arrested Today By Civil or Federal Authorities For Keeping The Sabbath, how would you defend yourself in court? I Guarantee You That Not One Syllable You Quote From Ellen G. White Writings Will Benefit Your Defense; PeRiOd! Her Writings Are Too Inspire, But Carries No Security For Salvation! It Was Not Her Blood That Spilled For All Our Sins & It WIll Not Be Her Writings That Will Save Any One When Jesus Returns! The Holy Bible Points Too Jesus And Not Ellen G. White; PeRiOd!
Robert E. Wilson
You take too strong of a stand here. Oh, I agree and practice using the Bible to present truth. But, the role of Ellen White cannot be negated. Christian writers are quoted all of the time. She could easily be used as a: "Favorite author," or even plegerized by quoting her and not giving credit.
Again, I agree with your general thesis that we need to be able to present our stand from the Bible, but, let's not ignore a very strong support.
That is not what he said, Ray. When we have to stand in the Last Days and give an account for Our Faith at the threat of death, we will have to refer to Scripture alone. Anyone who is dependent on any other source to support what they believe in are in for a rude awakening.
Robert Wilson has not put anyone down or disrespected the ministry of anyone, let alone Ellen White. He is simply stating what the Bible says:
"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."--2 Timothy 3:15-17
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ."--2 Peter 3:15, 16
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."--Isaiah 8:20
"With my whole heart I have sought You; oh, let me not wander from Your commandments! Your word I have hidden in my heart, that I might not sin against You. Blessed are You, O LORD! Teach me Your statutes."--Psalm 119:10-12
I do not think it's too strong a stance; it is what it is. Sister White does not have a Heaven to take us too. Her Writings, especially, the Great Controversy are Paramount to the Fundamental Seventh-day Adventist beliefs which many often "ignore a very strong support" the Holy Spirit plays at decerning the Bible. However, and thus, If you spend more time with those little red books than you are with the Word of God, You Are Playing Into The enemy's hands. Satan knows there are no Saving Grace Powers in those books! Satan knows there are no powers of redemption in those little red books! Satan knows that Ellen G. White did not shed her blood so that anyone might have everlasting life.
It Is What It Is! Every S.D.A. Need To Hear This And Acknowledge This Truth! I'm Not Saying To Ignore Her Writings Just Be Mindful That Jesus Is The Answer. I'm Talking To Myself Here, Because I Am A BackSlider.
In that position, I agree with you. It just came across to me, from your previous statement, that if we considered EGW that it would compromise our witness. That is the question I was addressing.
The major problem with people today and Ellen G. White is that either:
It is my belief that both positions are wrong. The correct position is in between. I have spent many hours in the White Estate Vaults at Andrews and the staff there were personal friends of mine. In fact, one of the manuscript releases is one that they granted me for a research project I was working on and they gave me great help in putting it together.
Even after leaving Andrews, I have been in contact with them from time to time, sending them things I have found. Also, by the early fifties, I had read all of her writtings that I had available, which was almost all the White Estate had printed to that point, and I have continued to read what she has written every since. I also read my Bible through every year.
The point being is that I highly respect her writings and I fully endorse them. However, when I am talking to someone who does not have the extensive background that I have and have not learned who she is and chosen to believe in her works, I tend to use almost exclusively the Bible to present truth.
So, with some clarification, it seems that in fact we are close to, if not in fact, in agreement on this issue. May God bless and continue to study both sources that God has given to us in these last days.
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."--2 Timothy 14-16
Personally, I do adhere to Sola Scriputra, Ray (not saying that you were necessarily referring to me). What that means is that doctrinal decisions are based on scripture and not someone else's inspired thought--not that people do not do their homework and/or research.
Hope that better helps clarify things.
Alexander, you would be wrong (incorrect) in that assumption. People simply want you to show them from the Word of God and for you to live it (Matthew 5:16). Non-Christians, former Christians, and Christians from other faiths want to actually see how the Holy Spirit has transformed YOU--and that the LORD is blessing you no matter what season or situation you are placed in. Like Joesph, Esther, or Daniel.
People want to understand how you make the Word of God a "living testimony" on the everyday living experiences--how you make the simple things "real" and whether you actually trust the LORD because you know Him and most importantly He knows you (Matthew 7:20-24) or trust in your own "knowledge" of the LORD. Jesus' ministry was very practical and relevant to daily living--and yet it was not imbalanced. For example, Jesus gave Grace and Mercy to the Woman caught in adultery; accountability to her accusers; and then commanded her to "Go and sin no more" (John 8:3-11).
I cannot speak to "we" (whoever you mean by that) because it is a personal and individual decision that each of us have to make. It simply appears that those who speak the most "appear" and "present" the posture of what (facts) they know rather than who they know (Jesus). There is a very big difference.
Re-posting: "People simply want you (us as Seventh-day Adventist Christians) to show them from the Word of God and for you to live it (Matthew 5:16). Non-Christians, former Christians, and Christians from other faiths want to actually see how the Holy Spirit has transformed YOU--and that the LORD is blessing you no matter what season or situation you are placed in. Like Joesph, Esther, or Daniel.
People want to understand how you make the Word of God a "living testimony" on the everyday living experiences--how you make the simple things "real" and whether you actually trust the LORD because you know Him and most importantly He knows you (Matthew 7:20-24) or trust in your own "knowledge" of the LORD. Jesus' ministry was very practical and relevant to daily living--and yet it was not imbalanced. For example, Jesus gave Grace and Mercy to the Woman caught in adultery; accountability to her accusers; and then commanded her to "Go and sin no more" (John 8:3-11). "
Amen Alexander. I thought we are to reenforce Testimonies (Bible no question) and whether the courts of the land acknowledge that or not as important as how God sees us using and living what is revealed to us.
before you go any further--REPENT
to be a backslidder is to turn from Jesus-and return to sin
are you going to continue to risk losing ALL that you had in Jesus and go into a lake of fire?
"Fear God, give glory to Him, the hour of His judgment is come"
don't be found wanting--rather turn from evil and live
He will cleanse you from ALL sin if you confess it to Him and turn back to Him
with much love and prayer,