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Now in modern times all over the world gayness is being considered normal by the scientific communities and the other wisemen of society.

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We can and should invite them to church NOW. Christ's love WILL touch all varieties of sinners. Including us proud ones with the "truth". :-)

It is our job to let His amazing love be seen through us. He wants us to show it to EVERYONE.
will u allow someone who is Gay to 'stand on the pulpit"?????
Is that someone male or female?
No one who is willfully living in has any business being in the pulpit.
Okay you said it twice. But I hope we are all willfully living.
I wrote that on my phone at work so I kinda missed part of it. It should have been willfully living in sin. Lol.

Jobe, David (prophets of old), Peter, James, Luke Timothy many of these apostles yes they too, had troubles and marriage problems, God Loved them as the same, and of course counselled them through revelation or appeared to them as the old testament does quote.

You said, "Gays want so much to be human....", as if they are not already human.

Your post comes across to me as full of stereotypes. Not all gays think and feel the way you have portrayed them here.

I lived as a gay man for over 30 years, and I don't recognize myself or any of my gay friends in this post. I would hate for them to come to SDA forums and see these kinds of posts. It is no way to persuade gay people to give their hearts to Christ.

God has as much love for gay people, and died for them, as much as for heterosexual. One's sexual orientation has nothing to do with God's love.

God must forgive gays the same as he must forgive heterosexuals for their sins.

He provides us with the power to be freed from our sins, including sexual sins, but it should start with love from other Christians and not prejudice because of who they are. They are fully human and should be asked to come to church irrespective of their lifestyle.

I have a feeling if Christ were here today, he would talk to them the same as He did to the woman caught in adultery. He did not come to condemn but to save. John 3: 17.
They are already human, just like you are already human. Would it be true to say you "want to be human"?

A problem with saying gays want to be human is that it can encourage people to view gays as if they are not human. Some people already see gays that way, and it sometimes leads them to kill gay people. It becomes easier to do bad things to those you consider less than human. WE learned that from slavery and from the Nazi treatment of Jews in Hitler's Germany.

To say gays want to be human implies that they are not human. People cannot correctly be said to want to be that which they already are. That would be like saying my Boston Terrier "wants to be doggish." Obviously it was born "doggish." Similarly homosexuals are born human.

As for AIDS, it began through heterosexual contacts, and in most countries, such as in the countries of Africa, it is primarily spread by sex between men and women.

The important point here, though, is that we still should treat both homosexuals and heterosexuals with love and thoughtfulness.

If no one has addressed your "actual argument," it might be because you have not stated it clearly so anyone knows exactly what it is. Can you say in a brief, clear statement what your argument is?
I totally agree, we have to learn to see people as God sees them. When the Lord looks down on us He sees sinners need of his divine merits.

If a gay person shows up to church, and an unmarried person who had sex at night there's no difference between the two as a matter of fact you might find the gay person might go away with the Lord's blessings if he repents and the unmarried person who is concealing his sin go away with more sexual demons!

The point I am making is that, if we see a brother or sister in sin, It's our duty we who are perceived to be standing to correct them and warn them of their course of action. It's our duty to show them that they need the Lord and to forsake satanic characters wholly manifested in the desires of the flesh.
Correcting someone and for them to return to the right path needs a lot of faith manifested by genuine prayer and fasting. If we involve in evil surmising, rumors and speaking about others behind their backs, there's a spirit of the devil with such acts and many souls can't be won with that kind of spirit.

A tsunami of revival has to sweep across the land, and the Lord needs Ezra, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniels of today lay evangelists, pastors and church members who are going to live a life worthy to be looked upon as role models with Christ working in them, sinners will turn from their wicked ways.

But as much as the world looks at the church and when it studies everything and find out unmarried members are having sex with each other, having relationships outside the church, and all kinds of abominations in the church then the line of demarcation between the church and the world will surely be invisible and that's the reason why for so many years you find a church is with 50-100 members and doesn't grow!
There are many things which lead people to do somethings, if a weak member is fighting with drinking alcohol wine inclusive and then he/she spots another member freely partaking of alcohol and also dating outside the church many feel there's no point and they are led to fall into temptation. We have to be careful with whatever we do, and how we see others, we have to live a life which is wholly dependent on Christ that sinners are turned from their wicked ways. Ps. 51
I hope we remember that "ALL" have sinned and come short of the Glory of God, none of us are blameless, no one has walked this Earth sinless except for Christ, which is why we need his Shed Blood on Calvary if any of us are going to make it to His kingdom. It is unfortunate that we can see the speck in our brother's eye and not notice the mote that is in our own eye. We have enough sins on our own plate, lets look upward instead of looking at others. If our eyes are on Christ, others will follow our example and choose to serve Him.


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