When has the church ever *not* been ready to elect a black General Conference president?
I would hope that all General Conference presidents are elected on their merits as an SDA christian following the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
If you are asking whether we are now ready to follow the fads and whims of the world or to become "politically correct" and elect someone on the basis of the colour of their skin then I sincerely pray that the answer is a resounding NO!
John B in the Words of John Mc Enroe "You can't be Serious" The Church has never been ready to elect a black president that's why in the US you have black and white conferences. And are you implying that Obama won because of the colour of his skin? Even if that was the case its about time because for so long black folks have been victims because of the coloiur of their skins so if now they are victors because of the colour of their skin you cant really be bitter.
You and I know that our church history on race relations is not one to be proud of but we won't go into that.
No, Charliebwoyo, I didn't mean that Obama won because of his skin colour. I was following your question which you put on the premise of the election of a black president.
Skin colour just shouldn't come into it. I've seen that there seems to be some division in conferences in the US, I recall visiting one state where there was a black, a hispanic and a white conference. I suspect that this has a lot to do with the history of the USA. But it is wrong to judge the world-wide church on the basis of a localised experience.
In the UK we have two conferences in England, North and South. Both have black presidents. The British Union president is black. It may have something to do with the fact that our we have a lot of black members and pastors in our conferences and I pray that it has a lot more to do with the fact that they are the best people for the job.
So, I don't think it is fair to ask is the church "now ready". I think the church has always been ready.
I know that I will be opening a can of worms but here goes.. You stated "In the UK we have two conferences in England, North and South. Both have black presidents. The British Union president is black" Could it be that the Seventh-day Adventist Church in England is known as a " black church"?
Definitely in some areas of the country. Also the black members have given the church a higher profile as they tend to be the ones doing door-to-door work, handing out tracts, Ingathering, holding tent meetings in public parks, etc. We have two choirs which have acheived national recognition and they are also predominantly black.
The last figures that I've seen were that the church in England is c.75% from the immigrant community which I assume includes South East Asian and Asian members. In the inner cities you tend to find churches that predominantly black and then as you move away from the cities the churches become much more mixed. One small church was almost exclusively white until the new term started at the local university. Students arrived from various African countries and doubled the membership of the church.
John B are you aware of the history of UK SDA with regards to blacks leadership and how it came about. Are you aware of the fact that black churches held back their tithes from the conference in protest over how the black pastors were overlooked for key appointments. Are you aware that the church I atend use to be all white and when the folks from the caribbean arrive in the 60s and 70s they left and went to another church further out. Are you also aware that worldwide the SDA church in terms of numbers is a blach church and not just in the UK.
I don't want to make this a race issue but the issue of race is an important part of my Christianity. I was born black I have to live with that so I am Christian who is black. We live in a world that is not perfect and teh issues of race relations is evident. Now I have no problem serving out the rest of Earth history with White General Conference leaders, but in my humanity I must ask the question, "I wonder why there was not a qualified Black Man, Indian Chinese or Hispanic man holy ghost filled enough to lead God's last day Church. I wonder why only White leaders were so qualified?
I hope you get my drift
This is the third time I have tried to answer your allegations as above. If it does not go through this time I will assume that I am not supposed to reply. Are you aware that in the change of GC Presidents from Neal Wilson to Robert Folkenberg the post was offered to George Brown (a black man) , President of the Inter-American Division?? He said, "No"...........................
Secondly: There was never an attempt in the US to separate "black" from "white" by existing conferences . It happened quite similarly to what happened in England. When there weren't enough administrative positions the "blacks"(your terminology) demanded their own conference. I know, I was there when the Greater New York Conference split and the Northeastern Conference was formed. IMO there is really no reason for Regional Conferences to exist anymore. Our own Conference has Black,White,Hispanic,Asian churches/ pastors. 'nuff sed ( for this time)r
Nuf Sed No I was not aware that the post was once offered to a Black Man who subsequently turned it down. It this fact documented because we also heard that Henry Wright was also once offered it and he too declined (that was through the grapevine). I am also aware that in our SDA history the spirit of prophecy was first giving to black man who also refuse to accept the challenge and thus it was handed over to EGW. Now if I did not know any better I would be pulling my hair out and screaming at the thought that black folks are always turning down the call of God on their life.
Now if as suggested the election of the President id done under the guidance of the Holy Spirit through much prayer and supplication. Then it must also be asumed that whoever is approached is God selected, so why all the black folks turning down the call of God.
I like your phrase when there weren't enough administrative positions the blacks demanded their own conference. Wow there wasn't enough post to give the black folks any so like little spoilt children they demanded their own. WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW
I have another take on the situation do you care to hear it?