God is the Saviour of ALL men
1 Tim. 4:10
"... God, who is the Saviour of all men, and especially of those who believe".
John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
Praise God. Amen.
And Praise Him for his loving kindness to me ... a sinner.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on -
Personally I will stand with the overcomers on the basis of what HE did 2,000 years ago .... and not what He does in my life now as far as good works. No matter how many good works I allow Him to do in my life .... it will NEVER be good enough to give me salvation. So ... I will continue to have sin in my life.
IF there is anyone who has stopped sin ... I would like for them to stand up. NO. I sin. Yet I am saved by the blood of Jesus ... not what He may or may not do in my life as far as good works.
Good Works were the reason we were created. He created us to honor Him with Good Works. Yet ... those good works He does in us DO NOT SAVE US.
There are many here who would love to fool SDAs into thinking they have to leave all sin behind in order to be saved. DO NOT BELIEVE this heresy. They are clever. They may even deny it at times. But DO NOT BE FOOLED.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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You believe that we must overcome all sin in order to be saved. I do not. I believe we are saved by the blood of Jesus and then as He gives us power ... we reflect Him through good works out of love. There is the difference between you and I. I accept that and welcome you and your error into the beloved. I see it as a dead end heresy. I don't know of anyone who measures up to your theories and could possibly be saved. But you are entitled to your heresy and legalism. Let the informed decide.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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"The Body of Christ is the one organization in the world where the only requirement for membership is failure."
"The church is a corporate gathering of a bunch of failures." p. 79 of Daily Disciplines for the Chrisitan Man" by Bob Beltz
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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MsMS. Why are you so resistant to Righteousness by Faith? Legalism is a dead end religion. Why are you so opposed to the message of our prophet in preaching Salvation by Faith.
Why is it that you are so opposed to scripture when it comes to the Gospel message?
Our works are as filthy rags. For some reason you value and want to hold onto your filthy rags when Jesus want to put on a perfect Robe.
I am praying for your sister. May God bless you and give you wisdom. I pray that you realize that you may come to Him as you are. Rags and all. He will place His perfect Robe over you and call you sister.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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I urge you to study the Bible and SOP on this subject. For your soul's sake and those whom you might influence. But PLEASE ... don't just apply your own interpretations and opinions. Leave your mind open to the wonders of God.
I urge you to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit before reading. I've found this to help.
God Bless.
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Reply by MsMS
This requirement of overcoming all sin is only for the 144,000 which many of us believe we are that generation.
i very much disagree with this part, MsMS. my understanding is that God has required sinlessness starting with adam and eve.
i will agree that God has accepted everyone who lived up to all they knew.
and i do believe there have been sinless ones all through history. enoch is one that is recorded. that is not to say they didnt stumble and fall on the way to that sinlessness. daniel is another one that no sin is recorded.
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Reply by MsMS
teresa, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say here. God does require "sinlessness" but up until the Day of Atonement it was possible to be saved by "sinning and repenting" sinning and repenting", always COVERED by the Robe of Christ's righteousness once sin was repented of. Most will be saved this way.
ive never heard this, nor is what i have ever understood from the bible/sop. honest.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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I agree witih you teresa. This is what the offshoots bring ... IMHO.
God is the same yesterday today and forever. The requirements for heaven are not different for one group of people compared to another. -
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Permalink Reply by teresa on
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am i correct in believing that you are not trying to say that it is ok to sin, or that you are trying to justify sin somehow?
Reply by N Him:
You believe that we must overcome all sin in order to be saved.
i believe, and i believe others here are of the same mind, that being sinless is our fitness for heaven. that determines whether we will be happy there or not. but becoming sinless does not "entitle" us to heaven.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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Never met anyone who over came all sin during their lifetime. Have you met anyone without sin. Our fitness for Heaven is to accept the forgiveness of our sins. Our good works glorify God. That is their purpose. They do not make us fit for Heaven. Being sinless is not a reality for any of us. If we were without sin ... we would not need a Saviour. Do any of you here believe you're sinless. And if you don't ... are you lost?
As I have heard elsewhere ... being without sin is such a shallow goal. God is more concerned with what is in our hearts. It was the Jews who were concerned with the letter of the law.
Personally .... I'm a sinner saved by His Blood.
"Those who are saved will be saved because Jesus has paid the full debt; and man can do nothing, absolutely nothing, to merit salvation. " {ST, November 10, 1890 par. 1}
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Permalink Reply by teresa on
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we arent talking about meriting salvation, im not anyway. there is a title to heaven and a fitness for heaven. there is a difference between sinning unknowingly and wanting and hanging onto our sins.
say a smoker for example, or a person of pride. if we are convicted of one or the other but that is what we really want, we hold onto one or the other, we can never be "fit" for heaven. the smoker would be miserable for eternity because they would want something to smoke for eternity. the prideful person would not be happy because he couldnt, for eternity, ever find anyone interested in "worshipping" him/her, following him/her.
God forgave us, as in not holding a grudge against us long before we ever sinned. but i have noticed that "forgiveness" is also used in another sense in that we are cleansed of all sin, if we are willing.
but we cannot cleanse ourselves. God reveals to us our sins....
im going to start a topic on this.
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Permalink Reply by Tyrone Keels on -
Hi NHim.
You have made a very strong statement.
NHim said: There are many here who would love to fool SDAs into thinking they have to leave all sin behind in order to be saved. DO NOT BELIEVE this heresy.
Will you please now back up your claim with the Bible and the Spirit of prophecy ? If you cannot do this, you are actually the one speaking heresy.
From this it appears that you don't believe our heavenly Father or the gospel has power to save us from sin. For the sake of anyone who may be reading this, I hope to begin to bring some clarity.
I will present one Bible verse and one statement from the Spirit of prophecy to begin this education.
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Hebrews 5:9)
He who has not sufficient faith in Christ to believe that he can keep him from sinning, has not the faith that will give him an entrance into the kingdom of God. {RH, March 10, 1904 par. 26}
Thank you for allowing my reply.
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