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on another thread someone asked a list of Questions

deserves its own thread with answers more filled out

thanku for your thoughtfullness

and seem to not to have the 'gotcha' question and litmus test spirit which GOD hates

Hi MFG, 

Teach me something...i have wanted to ask a gay person. Never had a  chance. This is in no way trying to judge. I just want to hear the other side honest answer. Am sure you have faced similar questions before

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hi GBU

thanku for asking

most just run to judgement and have no care to enter it God's way
in relationship

1. Are you gay?

2. If so when did you discover?

3. Were you raised in a happy mother and father family.  

4. Do you believe sex before marriage is wrong? Are u marriad?

5. Could you give  an example of a gay marriad couple in the bible  or any hint of God sanctioning gay relationships? This is the most important question, kindly make it priority.

6. What do u make of Jesus saying," so shall a man leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife. The two shall become one flesh". Can it also apply to gay? If so, why?

7. Do you think it was God's ideal, intention, for a man to have sex with another man? Or vice versa?


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Are you gay?

1. Yes, very much so Gay

Gay Gay Gay

o yes did i say i was gay?

If so when did you discover?

2.when i was 12 or 13 but in hind site i was a very gay lil boy and toddler

(i have  very early memories of the minuet of life)

btw i was upset and profoundly depressed and  suicidal when i figured it out and tried to kill myself a few years later .. i prayed for years for GOD to make me a lil straight boy/man- i would have died if anyone found out  - i hated myself and GOD for years _God has done such a work in my heart towards HIM and me and others

ETERNAL HOMPHOBIA IS RAMPANT AMONG OH SO MANY GAYS and that is THE WHY we call it the GAY PRIDE PARADE

to combat such evil in ourselves and others

Were you raised in a happy mother and father family? 

3.my family was not Christian and i will just leave it at that in an open forum or perhaps start a thread on that maybe later-in relationship i can share more in private BTW 

in a SDA 8th grade class of 39 kids-9 turned out gay from Christian Families .. and i know many gays who grew up happy and others not so much

pssst.. heads up! .. each gay and their story is as different as their fingerprints ! u know like the straights!!! hmmm what a thought :)

Do you believe sex before marriage is wrong? Are u married?

4.yes sex before marriage is wrong though it don't stop many

with all the STD's and fornication and abortions and children out of wedlock and single mothers and fornication  and rapes and sexual molestation in and out of collages and military - why do we focus (from our Church  and others into Politics) on a small percentage of gays wanting to live their own lives?

so much money and time and talents is spent on not sharing the GOSPEL

I am not Married

Could you give  an example of a gay married couple in the bible  or any hint of God sanctioning gay relationships? This is the most important question, kindly make it priority.

 

5. i made a thread regarding this possibility- it made more than a few upset  not realizing that GOD healed no matter what - HE couldn't help it! amen -good news to all who are here!!!!!

-doubt if they were married though cause as far as i know marriage was not an option just like it is not in many states -but they were definitely in a relationship

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/jesus-heals-a-gay-man-s...

What do u make of Jesus saying," so shall a man leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife. The two shall become one flesh". Can it also apply to gay? If so, why?

6. yes indeed JESUS is addressing Divorce ... ONE WIFE FOR LIFE

Matt 19:.

And Pharisees came to Him and put Him to the test by asking, Is it lawful and right to dismiss and repudiate and divorce one’s wife for any and [a]every cause?

He replied, Have you never read that He Who made them from the beginning made them male and female,

And said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be united firmly (joined inseparably) to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?

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and others read more into it - as only man and woman can get married .. I am glad for myself  i don't have to answer those questions for myself cause I am NOT THE MARRYING SORT

Adam and Eve and JESUS is the Earthly GODHEAD as an example to the universe - amen _the Plural become the Singular!

God does not force His way on anyone -all are free to Choose

.. and some gays do become one flesh in their own non traditional way

 well God's intention is for the Husband to love His Wife as God loves the Church for Life

but alas i see everything but that in my own church

BTW the Christians were not out there rallying against 'No fault Divorce" !! Marriage is sacred! gays see right thru the hypocrisy

many don't act like their own marriage is sacred but it is easy to go after someone else

(not a Christian Virtue)

Do you think it was God's ideal, intention, for a man to have sex with another man? Or vice versa?

7. Paul even states its not even good to marry seeing that Christ is coming soon _is that God's Intention??? - so maybe no one should get married? well i don't see that happening- the heart wants what the heart wants ( i do not know any Christian who does not ever cherry pick their own liking) and besides we have all those wonderful testimonies of people finding their perfect soul mates shared on 3ABN as of late

It is not God's Intention for men to have sex with each other

God has many attributes that we dont even recognize or understand

The God of Concessions  for instance

its a LOVE thang- a product of working with you as where u are at right now

HE works like that in the Nation of Israel also - that is is one of the reasons why we see so many inconsistencies thru out the the Whole Old Testament

one wife or two? hundreds of concubines (Sex Slaves) ? many widowed and taken care of?

war and killing everything in site? or letting God take care of that?

slavery?misogyny?rasism? mutilated or defiled in the temple? fluids?

the list is endless of God dealing with all and not by the book

if u look at JESUS He broke all kinds of Levitical laws and even GOD Himself said no more sacrifices

I myself am a celibate Christian and my buddy of 26 years  is a celibate  Christian also (what are the odds to find such like mindedness - Yes GOD is that good and powerful)

sex is a force of Nature-only the Surpernatural can tame it

Praise GOD

i dont give yes and no answers mostly on this topic even though its very cut and dry for most


God is not black and white HE is all the Colours of the Rainbow -His Seal that is around His Own Throne

oh and id i say i was a CHRISTIAN?

a CHRISTIAN a CHRISTIAN a CHRISTIAN!

uhhh did i say that i was a CHRISTIAN

God is mighty to Save even the likes of you

and meeeeeeeeee

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 if our church studied the 6 verses that  most say condems homosexual acts as we study the state of the dead in our own heritage -

our church might come up with a  very different understanding

 the state of the dead was so cut and dry for hundreds of years

.....till a group actually looked actually looked closer

:)

hmmmm...

GBU All here!

the following is for people who want to get to know me better

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/my-gay-or-happy-testimo...

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/there-are-many-more-rea...

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/a-letter-to-the-lgbti-c...

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/it-s-about-time-heavens-to-betsy

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/why-on-earth-would-you-...

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Mutinta Nteeni shows reflects a humble and correct attitude with his response to Timber that is in accordance with SDA beliefs.  

Timber-well what can I say.  An example of how not to be a jerk below. 

CFO fired over hateful Chick-fil-A video moves to Portland

http://www.kgw.com/story/news/local/2015/03/31/adam-smith-chick-fil...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LqoLBQ68Uw

Reflect the love of Christ.   

"Mutinta Nteeni shows reflects a humble and correct attitude with his response to Timber that is in accordance with SDA beliefs. 

Timber-well what can I say. An example of how not to be a jerk below."

Timbers reply was ok in regards to what she replied onto.

The "jerk" part was putting these kinds of questions online in the first place and that was done by Mutinta in case you missed it.

But i guess when someone is being a jerk it is ok as long as he is against LGBT but when someone replies in the same way than thats unacceptable and is being called out for..

What a christian way of thinking Raymond...

Reflect the love of Christ.   

This also means do not call other people jerks when they apply the same standards and measures back onto you or your viewpoint. Thats what Timber did nothing else.

Regards

What a christian way of thinking Raymond...

Reflect the love of Christ.   

This also means do not call other people jerks when they apply the same standards and measures back onto you or your viewpoint. Thats what Timber did nothing else.

You may want to read slower, I did not call anyone a jerk.  I said how not to act like a jerk. 

Watch the video, you may learn something.  We all make mistakes and this may be shocking to you but there might be some hate coming from your side.  Maybe reflecting Christ would be a better option that just identity political ideology.

Mutinta,

I do realize that a major factor of your comments in regards to homosexuality and other issues is the culture of your country where you grew up.

The problem however is that your country and your culture is hardly something which we should consider as a "good measure / standard". So instead of looking from your culture down onto other cultures you should try to do better and apply better measurements instead of worse onto your judgements.

Zambia is one of the worst countries in the world in regards to Human Rights, Civil liberties, Freedom of speech / press / information and so on. It is currently not even a "free" country but rather a mixture of an elected dictatorship and only "partly free" in regards to UNHCR standards of application of Human Rights and thats w/o the scoring of LGBT issues considered.

Or to put it more directly your culture and your country are no measure any christian should ever apply or call "ok". Just a short list of your countries human rights violations not in regards to LGBT reported for last year:

  • abuses by security forces, including unlawful killings, torture, and beatings;
  • life-threatening prison conditions;
  • restrictions on freedom of speech, assembly, and association;
  • arbitrary arrest and prolonged pretrial detention;
  • arbitrary interference with privacy;
  • government corruption;
  • violence and discrimination against women, child abuse, and trafficking in persons;
  • discrimination against persons with disabilities;
  • restrictions on labor rights, forced labor, and child labor; and
  • that the government generally did not take steps to prosecute or punish officials who committed abuses, allowing impunity to remain a problem.

So please spare everyone here your judgment based on Zambias "morality" and "culture" because your country sucks in all aspects of morality and cultural norms which we are taught as christians.

Regards

I stand with Mutinta any day. The ones who justifies LGTB are just mislead by the Devil. The Bible is clear on this subject. 

"I stand with Mutinta any day. The ones who justifies LGTB are just mislead by the Devil. The Bible is clear on this subject. "

Interesting.

So you support that LGBT people are imprisoned and sentenced to lifelong captivity?

So you support the death sentence of homosexual people?

These are the standards Mutinta is advocating and explaining when he speaks from "his culture / country"

Now tell me where exactly does this reflect SDA teachings on this topic? Are you sure its not those who advocate or such laws are the ones being mislead by the devil including you apparently? 

But at least we got you on the record now. Means we can just end all discussion on this topic right away because whoever advocates for such measures does not transport the teachings of the Church...

Regards

Manuela 

Read Romans 13 and tell me who has the right to administer the law? You only see it from your comfortable corner. Maybe the death penalty is administered in Mutintas country as the text says they have the right. If you feel that is wrong do something about it. No use to complain to me or anyone else.   

There is a saying "You do the crime you do the Time" 

hey Timber!

u got that right

better coming from u than me

:)

those questions regarding how many times I fall

and an arbitrary 10 year number beckons acreamy fluffy tasty  pie in the face with a lecture about sinner humanity

and the Christian journey

my jaw dropped

thanku for putting that up

 i think its best i dont talk to him at all

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