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How exactly will the sunday law prevent us from buying and selling if we don't accept it?

How exactly will the sunday law prevent us from buying and selling if we don't accept it? I know that if u tell your employer that you won't work on Saturday, then you'll get fired... but how will it prevent us from selling anything if it's not necessarily linked to money? if it is linked then how?

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Leon, why do you insist on saying these things?  That is not the seal of God. In fact the Bible states that we will know if it is the Spirit of God by the fruit.  So do you know of any seal that is hidden until the fruit has come forth?  

 

The following are verses that refer to a seal of God.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Note that the previous verses seem to indicate a figurative seal, not a physical seal. The following verses would seem to be a physical seal of some kind on the forehead.

Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

At this point, let's define a seal. The seal of a king contains three things, first the name, second his title or claim to authority, and thirdly, the region of his rule. Henry VIII, King of Britain, Wales and Scotland for example. What is the purpose of a King's seal? The Bible tells us clearly:

Dan 6:15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
Dan 6:16 Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
Dan 6:17 And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.

Leon do you believe that evidence of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues?

Just curious. 

Raymond

The Seal of God being the Sabbath is adjusting scripture to meet the needs of an preconceived idea. The words of the bible are clear  "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"

Altering inspired word to create an agenda creates confusion and hinders faith. Many SDA have a hard time submitting themselves to the Holy Spirit because of the misconception that the Sabbath in the sealing.  

One cannot say the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit as the scripture states, but I am going to show you a code which uncovers the fact that it is actually the Sabbath and expect others to buy into that idea. It is far fetched and used to support an isolationist agenda that is very harmful to faith.

In regards to speaking in tongues. I have not experienced nor witnessed this gift, so I don't really have an opinion on it. My speculation would be that if it is needed as it was in the early Church of rapid expansion, then God will provide it. 

Leon

Leon 

One cannot say the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit as the scripture states, but I am going to show you a code which uncovers the fact that it is actually the Sabbath and expect others to buy into that idea. It is far fetched and used to support an isolationist agenda that is very harmful to faith.

Wow are you for real? Read the 3 angels message its spelled out very clearly there. For anyone to see. I do not think God can make it any more plain.

 With respect to the topic, one is of the informed view that it warrants attention. There are too many speculative responses coupled with some seldom responses that underscore the real issue that can give way to such an activity. As such, in this discourse, one will attempt to present, without bias, a re - examination of the prophecies, and the acts that must go into effect to warrant a prevention of commerce between parties and the creatures of the state who are offering their products to consumers.

First, the prophecies. The prophecies, reader, with which one should concern him or herself are Daniel 2 & 7 & Revelation 13. These three literary pieces are parallel and the authors showed mastery in their choice of words used to explain their divine experience.

In Daniel 2, one got an overview of the kingdoms that will cumulate in the Jehovah's kingdom being setup. In Daniel 7, one got a repeat, but with an exception. The angel revealed to Daniel how one kingdom will give way to another; and, the angel also revealed a key figure that will assist in ushering Jesus takeover and permanent rule. In Revelation 13, one gets an overview and bits of information to decipher who is this key figure. Reference to Revelation 17 assists greatly, in understanding certain phrases, colourful language and symbols.

However, one's concentration will be on Revelation 13. An examination of the piece of work, from the outset, speaks to allegiance and worship [the underlying theme]. In detail, one get three pieces of work to deal with.  The Beast arising from the sea and its advancement; the second beast and its advancement; and an image/statue of the first beast and its advancement.

In treating with the second beast and its advancement, the prophecy reveals that the second beast arise from out of the earth, one; two, it two had horns that look like a lamb's horns [ however, a lamb doesn't have horns. A lamb is a baby sheep. it is less than one year old, and, arguably, depending on the type of breed, Dorset or Jacob's four horned, for example, when the lamb matures one may or may not see stubs as evidence that horns will result. Three, it spoke it spoke like a dragon. Four, it exercises or performs all the authority of the first beast. Five, it required or demand that everyone on earth to worship the first beast whose wound was healed [ Note: the first beast is a seven headed creature; and, of its seven heads, one got wounded. It is this wounded one, who miraculously got healed, that the second beast is vouching worship for. Six, it did astounding miracles to deceive all people that belong to the world/earth. Seven,it commanded a great statue be erected in honour of the wounded individual who came through the serious injury. Eight, it was permitted to give life to the statute so that it can speak/talk. 

The Statue and Its Advancements.

The statue being able to speak commands or sets out that anyone who refuse to worship it must die. Two, everyone irrespective of his/her disposition or social status must receive a mark on their right hand, or forehead. Three, no one can do business, or trade without the mark. [Note: the mark = the name of the beast, or the number representing his name].

As such given this premise, one has to ask of the seven individuals that make up the beast, who is the individual that was wounded by a sword, had a miraculous recovery, and had made the world or mankind wonder and follow?

This individual[or system, if it is such] needs to be identified to unravel the depths of this prophecy. One is reassessing the arguments posit by Seventh - day Adventist and other seminaries who hold a common view on the prophecy, and one is re - examining history to make a connection. One will return with a response in due course.

On the other hand, the statute states unequivocally how it plans to strike terror in the masses globally - worship it or be killed.

This approach reader is logical.This individual, prospect, or entity must have significant influence to decree such an ultimatum.This entity or prospect has to grab the attention of the masses, and it must have a significant influence in the varying jurisdictions' military detail/militia, for want of a better word. There must exist much debate or talk about what is being demanded. There must exist persons irrespective of their jurisdictions who will find the command to worship the statue or image outrageous, and blasphemous. A disrespectful act towards God; and, there must exist a 'put down of the opposition'. The result, an ultimate dictator or ruler. One who has suppress the opposition, and who can draft and implement policies to its liking. One its most effective policies will be a restriction on trade or commerce to persons who do not have the mark on their foreheads, or the name of the beast, or his number, 666. You want to do business have either of these elements, else death. Simple and straightforward.

Therefore, reader, the search is on for to uncover who these prospects are. For these events are chronological and connected.

Thank you for your time. One will return God willing with one's results on the prospect discussed in this prophecy.

Have a closer walk with Jesus everyday. 

Yes Garth I was with you all the way to this:

Seven,it commanded a great statue be erected in honour of the wounded individual who came through the serious injury

I now understand your view on Sunday. As discussed on another post. As for me this is wrong understanding there will be no statue ever. 

Good evening brothers and sister, I trust that you had a week wherein you can praise God for some might act, or miracle he had done. To God be all praise and worship, brothers and sisters Shabbat Shalom.

This evening, I have returned to report. I have returned brothers and sisters to declare to you that the prophecy so spoken in Revelation 13 is futuristic - in assessing the prophecy, with that of historical documents on the dissolving of Rome; to the Byzantine Construct there is no facts to substantiate the Adventist theology that this entity reigns for 1260 years;and, within that 1260 years, they had been reigning terror on God's people; blaspheming God, or  changing of God's laws. 

As such, one invites you, the reader, to be a part of one's treatment of the subject matter. In this discourse one will treat with one's discovery, making reference to Constantine Era to Western Rome's dissolve to the rise and dissolve of Eastern Rome and the Middle Ages. Adventist theology leaned to arguments that invokes the use of history.

First, Revelation Chapter 13 indicates directly that the events to be unfold is futuristic. This was made evident in the 3rd, 4th, 5th & 8th verse. However, before one treats with the 3rd and 4th verses, one examines the 5th verse.

This verse says that this entity was allowed a period of 42 months [3 & 1/2 years] to do whatever it wants inclusive of blaspheming God. According to John: "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months" (Rev. 13:5, KJV); or, in a more understandable English construct, "Then the beast was allowed to speak great blasphemies against God. And he was given authority to do whatever he wanted for forty-two months". (Rev. 13:5, NLT).

In dealing with verse, one have to ask three questions. One, "who gave it a mouth to speak great things and blasphemies?"; two, "who allowed it to continue for 3 and 1/2 years?", and, three, "what will it do for those 3 and 1/2 year or 42 months?".

In answering these questions, one is of the informed opinion that Jehovah, the God over all gods and kings, have given the permission to the beast to parade itself, and for the stipulated period given. One will treat with what it will be doing for those years mention later in the discourse.

But who or what is this first beast? 

From the assessment of Rev 13:1 - 2; Rev. 17: 8 - 18 & Daniel 7: 7 - 28, one argues that the first beast is Roman Empire. The passages indicate that a beast represents a kingdom, one; two, this kingdom is established upon seven hills, which is also indicative of seven kings; and, three, it is ruthless. As such, one base on these premises, is of the sound opinion that the only kingdom that came after Greece and that fits the description with respect to history and the chronological order of things and with respect to the kingdoms outlined by the prophet Daniel, is the  Roman Empire. According to historical records the Roman Empire has developed around these seven hill [which is shown in the picture below in yellow]: the Aventine Hill; the Caelian Hill; the Esquine Hill; the Viminal Hill; the Quirinal Hill and the Capitoline Hill.

On the other hand, (Muhlberger, 2015) give a thorough examination of how Macedonia/Greece was dissolved through a series of wars with Carthage being the last stronghold to fall in 146 BC. This was further supported by worldology.com, who showed that Greece had dissolved over three Punic Wars. According to them 1st Punic War commenced (264 - 241 BC) between Rome vs. Carthage; the second, Punic War was (218 - 201 BC); and the Third Punic War (149 - 146 BC).

Moreover, speaking to the Roman ruthlessness, there are varying arguments for and against, but the historical records from one's standpoint revealed their destructive behaviour when they conquer a nation/town/city. For example, in their conquest of Corinth, (historymuseum.ca, 2015), revealed that the Romans "could be savage beyond belief" (para.2). They said according to "one historian of the period...they even butchered the dogs" (para.2); and, "Corinth they razed so thoroughly that it took 100 years to partially restore the city; others were not rebuilt" (para.2).

Thus, reader, it is established, whom one is treating with. However, emanating from the chapters and verses stated, is the fact that another empire/kingdom will stem from that Roman empire to defy God and His people. Some proponents argue that this empire is the papacy, and that it had reigned 1260 years and not 1260 literal days [42 months, or 3 &1/2 years] as suggested by the Bible.

However, this Sunday afternoon as one continues this written piece, one wants to suggest that although the Roman Catholic System have perpetrated atrocities against God's people, and have worked their way into the consciousness of the varying stratas of society, by feeding them iconophilism, a twisted version of salvation, and other preconceived ideas that are not of God, It, reader, is not the entity that the angel or John is speaking of. From my investigation of historical facts, the papacy do not fit the description, although the texts in question, if not studied with much pray and the Holy Spirit; a willingness to change one's view, and historical findings, leans to that argument.

You, reader, might be in shock and disbelief, but I invite you to study with me the passages of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Watch the sequence of events that unfolds.

Daniel 7: 24 - 26 (NLT) [The Angel Explaining to Daniel what he is seeing in the vision]:

24 Its ten horns are ten kings who will rule that empire. Then another king will arise, different from the other ten, who will subdue three of them.

25 He will defy the Most High and oppress the holy people of the Most High. He will try to change their sacred festivals and laws, and they will be placed under his control for a time, times, and half a time. [or 3 &1/2 years, as the word time in Aramaic suggest that the word time = duration of a year].

26“But then the court will pass judgment, and all his power will be taken away and completely destroyed. 

27Then the sovereignty, power, and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be given to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will last forever, and all rulers will serve and obey him.”

Revelation 13 3:8 (NLT)

3 I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery—but the fatal wound was healed! The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast. 

4 They worshiped the dragon for giving the beast such power, and they also worshiped the beast. “Who is as great as the beast?” they exclaimed. “Who is able to fight against him?”

5Then the beast was allowed to speak great blasphemies against God. And he was given authority to do whatever he wanted for forty-two months.

 6And he spoke terrible words of blasphemy against God, slandering his name and his dwelling—that is, those who dwell in heaven.a

 7 And the beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation. 

8 And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made—the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered.b

In the selected verses of Daniel Chp. 7, it shows you, the reader, that this kingdom, the fifth kingdom that is diverse from the other four, is given a time to rule.The verses further reveal to you, the reader, that when that time [3 &1/2 years] has expired God will execute judgement that He has pending for it; and then establish His eternal reign. Moreover, the verses also revealed that God's people will be existent when that system is going to reign terror on them; and, they also show that the entity/kingdom will blaspheme God and seek to change God's order of things for those 3 &1/2 years.

So let's dissect and put together the passage to do justice to what God is saying through the angel to the prophet Daniel. verse 24 says that the system before, which, one believe is Rome, who have ten kings that will reign. However, one have exhausted a search of all the Emperors from both the Western and Eastern Empire, and one concluded that there is no evidence of any ten emperors ruling over the Roman Empire, for there are more than 100 Emperors that ruled the Roman Empire. Thus I agreed with the Angel in Rev. 17 that said that "the 10 horns are 10 kings that have not arisen to power as yet" (v.12); however, they will be given one hour to reign with the beast (v.12). On the other hand, the verse progresses with the fact that the new king will subdue three kings; again one has no concrete evidence in history to substantiate this event.

Given this premise, it can be unequivocally stated that the events that follow in the other verses point to a period in time, where this unprecedented power will rise to dominance. To take his/its part in fulfilling God's timeline of events. It would not be a nice time for Christians [all who are true followers of God, who are willing to die for their God and his word]. It is either comply or die. However, note, God will reign his fire [ for earlier verses state that a stream of fire pours out of the throne of God] and he will complete destroy this entity/beast/kingdom, which shall never reign again.

On the other hand, when compared to John's account, which gives more insider details, John's account reader is saying the same thing. One will observe that the verse three of Rev. 13 says that this kingdom whoever, it is , is given a mouth or is allowed to speak blaspheme God and persecute the children of God  for 3 & 1/2 years. And it showed you that God's people will be existent during that time and face the same persecution. Again, being consistent to Daniel 7: 24 - 27.  In addition, God gave in chapter 15 - 16, the series of plagues that will descend, but yet man will still be harden and curse God. This will show that God's judgement is true.  Chp. 17 expands on Daniel 26 - 27, which one believes is the punishment to the Roman system and the Roman church. Thereafter, He and His son will come to set up their eternal kingdom.

Another, factor which suggest that the events are future is the factor that John said that those who worship the beast are those whose name are not written in the Lamb's book of life, who was slain from the foundation of the earth. Another, factor is that thought the beast is a seven head creature, and the spiral of events that lead to devotion and worship of one its head is the fact that that head had being wounded serious by a sword and miraculously recovered. Where he got wounded, it will have to be a stomach or back, or even a neck wound. But whatever the injury the prospect have survived and it have lead to an onset of events that one believes will cumulate in God's second return.

On the other hand, one can understand why some proponents push their theology or know how of what they think the scripture is saying to satisfy their argument or to get their adherents to subscribe to their teaching. However, one believes that this is a dangerous precedents to follow as leaders. one believes that persons should expose their adherents to doing wholistic exhaustion and  approach to a passage of scripture, and adherents of the faith must not take wholesale what is purported unless they, themselves, have done exhaustive study of the passage of scripture.

Thank you all for reading this written piece. Lazarus, I am sorry that you do not agree that there will be a stuate/image according to the King James version, but the Bible states so, and it is so.

References

Holy Bible. NLT (2007). Tyndale House Publishers

Holy Bible. KJV

Muhlberger, S. (1998). The Roman Conquest of Greece. Retrieved from Nipissing University Web site: http://faculty.nipissingu.ca/muhlberger/2055/L33ANC.HTM

Roman Dominance. (2009). Retrieved from Worldology.: http://www.worldology.com/Europe/roman_dominance.htm

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