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Does Jesus come through the bible quickly for people?  Or does it take time?  Does Jesus clean us up right away?  Or does it take months yea years.  For me it took less than 2 years to fully repent I fell back into sins after that but it was a start to a committed faithful life that would last and Jesus kept me from stumbling.  What if we sin?  We have an advocate but how long should it take?  Is it different for all types of people?  Are all people different.  How long is too long? 

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Andrew, it is God who sanctify us.  Just because one has reframed from bad habits doesn’t mean they are sanctified of God. Conversion is a life time process in one’s life experience.  Repentance is something one does when God calls, one then recognizes they are a sinner and then repent for that fact.  One can never become perfect by works of any kind, God is the one who makes up perfect  because of Jesus act upon the cross.

Romans 8:1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death.…

You do understand this, right?

Roman 8:30 says,

And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified. 31What then shall we say in response to these things?

I do understand this.  No condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.  Conversion is a life-long process can you show me some reference(s) for that?

Andrew: The walk with God is a continual one, we never "fully arrive until Jesus returns. It is a moment by moment walk, hopefully with the change that the renewed mind brings;

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:1-2

I agree with Gene here just that i don't think he understands the text in Romans 8:30

Ok JasonM; tell us what Romans 8:30 means, especially justification? Please give us Biblically based scriptural proof?
Good points Gene.

Does Jesus come through the bible quickly for people?  Or does it take time?  Does Jesus clean us up right away?  Or does it take months yea years.  For me it took less than 2 years to fully repent I fell back into sins after that but it was a start to a committed faithful life that would last and Jesus kept me from stumbling. 

It's about faith Andrew, which in a way you already answered.  The conversion is about where you put your faith, I wouldn't over complicate it with time tables but it is wise to be aware that they are there.  As Christians we believe in God. We also  believe God sent Jesus Christ to show us how we should live.  I put my faith in the life of Jesus Christ as the path to salvation which we learn through the bible.  That path/opportunity/journey does not end until we are either dead or Christ returns. Whichever comes first.

Some people will read the bible and reject it because of their own selfish desires, others will welcome it for the freedom it's truths reveal. Sadly there will also be times of tribulation where people will be tested and turn away from it completely in favor/fear of things they experience in their life time.  A christian will recognize the truth when it is revealed to them and do their best to adhere to it even in the face of death.  That doesn't make the bible a requirement. However, in my opinion it's the best unfiltered source over all others for those who have faith and seek to learn more about the life of Jesus Christ.

What if we sin?  We have an advocate but how long should it take?  Is it different for all types of people?  Are all people different.  How long is too long? 

I wouldn't say people are different in an ability sense, only the environments (It's easy to be a "christian" when you aren't tested or avoid reality).  If we sin we have faith that God will accept our request for forgiveness and once the truth of the nature of the sin has been made aware to us we will flee from it. The only time tables are death and Christ eventual return.  Since no one on the path knows the time of either, it's best to earnestly take full advantage of our faith with every breath we take and interactions we have with others.

Very good advice Rabbittroup. You show genuine concern and true Christian character.

I know that I am controversial here at times, and disagree with some SDA doctrines, but I like to give credit when appropriate and agree and support others when possible. I have a lot of respect for some SDA people here and that I know personally and in attending SDA church.

Hello Andrew, it's good to ask questions and good to get wise answers when available.

Father Abraham was justified when he believed in God Yet the sanctification route for him took a lifetime of mistakes and victories.  As we study the bible we will see that Jesus is mighty to save.

Abraham's life serves as an example of humanities flaws as a result of sin.  I believe God sanctifies in the way most people discus for purpose not reward. At times you see how that worked with the limited decisions Abraham made.  

Jesus' sole purpose was to serve God THE Father and show us the path to God's will. Jesu knew the true reward was in heaven not the titles/trinkets we give people on earth.  We should always look to God through Christ and his life as the path to salvation.

Amen.

Yes, Jesus taught much about the Pharisees, who love to sit in the best prestigious seats in the synagogue, to lengthen the border of their garments, etc. He even said to some Pharisees "Ye are of your father the Devil."

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