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if someone commits a sin, and then ask for forgiveness after, then is tempted again and commits that same sin a few minutes later, then he asks for forgiveness again. But is tempted one last time and he still commits the same sin in a few more minutes and feels extremely guilty, Can he be forgiven if he asks God for forgiveness one more time?

Is this the unpardonable sin?

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yes, and they can ask many more times, but Jesus is 'crucified' each time.... This is not the unpardonable sin. After a while of persisting in sin the HS will leave this someone or they will no longer hear His voice. There  is difference between living in sin and falling into sin.   

 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. Matthew 18:22

ok. thanks Jason

And we  thank our Lord for that.

ok. thanks Pastor T.
I started this discussion because the verses hebrew 6:4-6 and hebrew 10:26 were quite troubling to me.. to my understanding hebrews 6:4-6 says someone who has abandoned their faith, cannot be called to repentance again; And I have a lot of questions to ask. If the holy Spirit leaves someone, can they recieve it again?: If Christians start living lives of sin till they feel guilty no more, does that mean they are lost forever because they would not listen to the HS?

I was researching Hebrews 10:26 and most of the websites said the same or almost the same things. they said that this verse refers to people who have heard the truth and believed it, yet they still chose to reject jesus and continue living without him, maybe because they feel they can be saved by their own works, or because they enjoy sin too much to become a Christian. (and that is what is meant by "no sacrifice remains..." because Jesus was the only sacrifice given to save us, and there is no other, so if they don't choose Jesus, they cannot be saved in any other way) Also when they reject Jesus after knowing the truth, then they are treating His blood as an unholy thing. (hebrews 10:29)

I have a hard time believing some of these websites because they give the "once saved, always saved" doctrine, and I know that's false. They also state that no real Christian can commit the unpardonable sin. I don't know if that's true. Can someone please explain any of these verses to me?

My other questions are:
how many unpardonable sins are there?
Did Judas commit an unpardonable sin?
Did Judas sin against Jesus because he never really believed that Jesus was truly the Son of God or because he really wanted that 30 pieces of silver?
also, if the verse hebrews 10:26 refers to non-Christians as those websites stated, then why did verse 27 state that these people will have to wait in fear of the judgement? I'm asking this because I don't believe that people who rejected Christ are in fear of the Judgement because they have either accepted their grim fate and are no longer afraid, or they believe that they won't end up in hell if they do all the good works they possibly can. Or they don't believe in hell at all.


The Holy Spirit never leaves, it is us who refuse to listen. God will honor our desire not to be in our lives actively if we choose that path. Yet, if despite our sin we desire to be with him then he will never leave or abandon us. Judas did not desire to be on God's path. He instead wanted worldly power. When he learned that his act betrayed Christ to his death, he had no idea about the significance of the event. He only knew that his worldly power and fame was gone. He was not interested in just the silver, but in the life he would have if he forced the hand of Christ.

We are saved once through the redemption of Christ; because there is nothing we can do to earn salvation. Yet this salvation is based on our belief and faith. If we loose faith in Christ and ignore the Holly Spirit we are not claiming or relying on the promise. This will be evident in our lives because apart from Christ we cannot live the life of sacrifice that we can when we are saved. We may be attend Church and adhere to doctrine, but we will be cold, judgmental and selfish. We will find reasons not to serve, and find it easier to preach, condemn and debate. Others may turn their backs on God altogether and live hedonistic lives ignoring the promise given. So if you want to have joy in your salvation, Go to Christ daily in prayer and mediation. Seek to serve him by actively serving others. When you fall accept his correction as David did "for his rod and his staff comfort us." In the end he will redeem you because you are faithful and willing to serve.


Unpardonable sin:

Go to my last post there.

Judas' sins could have been forgiven. Satan deceived him and filled his heart.

I think I just found the answer to my main question. "But let none deceive themselves with the thought that God, in his great love and mercy, will yet save even the rejecters of His grace. The exceeding sinfulness of sin can be estimated only in the light of the cross. When men claim that God is too good to cast off the sinner, let them look to calvary. It was because there was no other way in which Man could be saved, without this sacrifice, it was impossible for human race to escape from the defiling power of sin, and be restored to communion with holy beings,— impossible for them again to become partakers of spiritual life,—it was because of this that Christ took upon Himself the guilt of the disobedient and suffered in the sinner's stead." Steps to Christ page 23

In this passage Ellen White states what Hebrews is talking about. It was really referring to those who haven't accepted God's grace which is the Sacrifice of his Son Christ Jesus. If there is anything anyone would like to add, please do. I apologize for going back and forth with this topic. I just wanted to clear up the things I didn't understand. Thanks for all your replies

The Hebrews passages are referring to those who are Christians and who have experienced the goodness of God and etc. The verses are not referring to the unconverted or  baptized members who are not yet converted..., sometimes these members (unconverted but baptized) are allowed to leave the church to be buffeted by Satan or delivered to him for the destruction of the flesh (1 Corinthians 5:5) to later return converted. Some return after being diagnosed with cancers,  accidents, death in family  etc. Jesus will do everything possible to save a sinner. 

 The members who have been converted and given the Holy Spirit but then reject the leading of the HS are referred to in the verses in Hebrews. Sometimes they die immediately...

As you have mentioned Janny, some verses, such as Hebrews 10, speak of no more forgiveness for sins...and your question really touches on the aspect of power in our lives, not so much on sinning...

Sinning the same sins over and over means one has not attacked the propensities of our carnal nature where such missing (sinning) stems from....our problem is we lack Jesus power in our lives....

Ps 66:18 If I regard iniquity(propensities of vanity) in my heart, the Lord will not hear me.

This verse explains why so many so called Christians are powerless with Jesus, because they are not overcoming all known and ignorant propensities in their lives.

This is not a reference to sinning even, wilful or ignorant. This is a reference to the epi-genetic potential in your to sinning, you must pray for the Holy Spirit to remove.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

This verse is written correctly with power. If we are not overcoming every propensity in our lives, we are powerless before Jesus, and He does not hear us. Pray, fast and meditate in Him, ask Jesus to cut your away your flesh and give you His flesh, the creative task of quickening which only the Holy Spirit can do in you, to Jesus glory. Be clean, and be found with no guile in your mouth.

Pr 6:18 An heart that deviseth vain (wicked)(propensities of vanity) imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

Propensities begin in the mind with our thoughts and imaginations. These thoughts awaken certain gene expressions, causing a cognitive habit of the mind leading to some dysfunctional sin.

Pr 12:21 ¶ There shall no evil(propensities of vanity) happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief.

The righteous do not evil propensities, only the wicked do.

Pr 22:8 ¶ He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity:(propensities of vanity) and the rod of his anger shall fail.

We reap what we sow. If our minds think dysfunctional thoughts we will awaken genes to produce evil propensities. If we produce children these propensities are inherited by our children in their epi-genetics.  Read my studies on continued sinning caused by propensities....

Satan is appealing to the lowest propensities of human nature. But these do not need cultivation, like thistles and briers, selfishness, self-love, envying, jealousy, evil surmising, self-esteem, will grow up luxuriantly if only left to themselves. {1888 419.1}

Ellen White writes correct Ancient Hebrew thought, the "Strong secure Seeds over the people" are the potentials for vigour or the potential for vanity , depending upon who we awaken those genes and whom is empowering them.

Here Ellen White writes about the propensities as SEEDS germinating into WEEDS that can grow up poisoning the soul without further help from Satan, yourself or outside influences. Just as the weed grows by itself, certain propensities can develop in the mind, and thus choke out the fruitfulness of the cognitive mind for right doing.

1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from propensities [which] lust, [and] war against the soul;

Suddenly the KJV comes alive when brought into Ellen White’s use of English meaning for modern times. We are to stay away from propensities which make us lust. Peter tells us to watch for our propensities to desire things that make war against our soul that is alive in GOD. The broad principle include all kinds of propensities, such as drugs, sugar, coffee, porn and rock music.

So to answer your question, part reasons for our continued sinning is because we do not want Jesus power in our lives, since we love our pet sins.... or we do genuinely want to have more power in our that case do not fight your shadows of missing, face Jesus and study Him more and more instead.

Remove all sources of propensities in your life and give Jesus a chance...

If one tramples and continues to trample over the calling of the Holy Spirit, then you block the only breath of salvation that can help and comfort you in the work of Jesus growing in your life....this process of starving off the work of Holy Spirit is known as the unpardonable sin, but it's not an event or big sin, but the trampling of your mind over and over against the Holy Spirit, its a process of your stubborn arrogance of not willing to listen to God work in you.... This link may be useful to you, presenting a Biblical Hebrew approach to sinning, something few of us understand.....sinning is essentially a broken relationship to Christ, not something terrible to do per se'

Hope this helps

Happy Sabbath


thanks Rob. yes it helped a lot


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