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How should we describe the Godhead or Trinity?

 

Are they one God in three persons?

 

Are they one God in three person?

 

Or, is there another way to describe the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

 

I am interested.

 

 

God Bless, Alex.

 

 

I read this in this forum; 

 

"What I have said here will be very hard to comprehend by many here but, can we really comprehend the Godhead?? Only one God three distinct person not persons.

Also, I never knew the SDA church promotes three Gods."

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Let People Know Our Position.--Our policy is, Do not make prominent the objectionable features of our faith, which strike most decidedly against the practices and customs of the people, until the Lord shall give the people a fair chance to know that we are believers in Christ, that we do believe in the divinity of Christ, and in His pre-existence.--Testimonies to Ministers, p. 253. (1895)  {Ev 613.2} 
     We Shall Have to Meet Erroneous Teaching.-- Again and again we shall be called to meet the influence of men who are studying sciences of satanic origin, through which Satan is working to make a nonentity of God and of Christ. The Father and the Son each have a personality. Christ declared, "I and My
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Father are one." Yet it was the Son of God who came to the world in human form. Laying aside His royal robe and kingly crown, He clothed His divinity with humanity, that humanity through His infinite sacrifice might become partakers of the divine nature, and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.--Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 68. (1909)  {Ev 613.3} 
     Positive Truth Versus Spiritualistic Representations. --I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: "The Father is as the light invisible: the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad." "The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life." Another representation: "The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud; the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power."  {Ev 614.1} 
     All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God cannot be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father cannot be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight.  {Ev 614.2}
     The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be "the express image of His person." "God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have
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everlasting life." Here is shown the personality of the Father.  {Ev 614.3} 
     The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905)  {Ev 615.1} 
     The Pre-existent, Self-existent Son of God.--Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.--Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.  {Ev 615.2} 
     He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent. . . . He is the eternal, self-existent Son.--Manuscript 101, 1897.  {Ev 615.3} 
     From Everlasting.--While God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding His pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. From everlasting He was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted Him, were to be blessed. "The Word was with God, and the Word was God." Before men or angels were created, the Word was with
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God, and was God.--Review and Herald, April 5, 1906.  {Ev 615.4} 
     Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.--Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899.  {Ev 616.1} 
     Life, Original, Unborrowed, Underived.--Jesus declared, "I am the resurrection, and the life." In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. "He that hath the Son hath life." The divinity of Christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life.--The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898)  {Ev 616.2} 
     With the Father at Sinai.--When they [Israel] came to Sinai, He took occasion to refresh their minds in regard to His requirements. Christ and the Father, standing side by side upon the mount, with solemn majesty proclaimed the Ten Commandments.--Historical Sketches, p. 231. (1866)  {Ev 616.3} 
     The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity.--The eternal heavenly dignitaries--God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit--arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . . would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.--Manuscript 145, 1901.  {Ev 616.4} 
     Personality of the Holy Spirit.--We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.--Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.)  {Ev 616.5} 
     The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God. . . .
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 {Ev 616.6} 
     The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."--Manuscript 20, 1906.  {Ev 617.1} 
     The Power of God in the Third Person.--The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.--Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897)  {Ev 617.2} 
     In Co-operation With the Three Highest Powers.-- We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, --and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905)  {Ev 617.3}
“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hathin these last days spoken unto us by His Son; ... who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said He at any time. {MH 421.3}
“Thou art My Son,
This day have I begotten Thee? {MH 421.4}
And again, {MH 421.5}
I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son?” {MH 421.6}
Hebrews 1:1-5.
The personality of the Father and the Son, also the unity that exists between Them, are presented in the seventeenth chapter of John, in the prayer of Christ for His disciples: {MH 421.7}

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; that they all may beone; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.” John 17:20, 21{MH 421.8}
 
The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purposein mindin character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. {MH 422.1}

Vincent has the right idea.  Clearly the three are seen at the baptism of Jesus so we can be sure there is the Father God and the Holy Spirit and the Son of God, Jesus Christ who before being born after being placed into Mary, was Michael, the same as who led Israel in the wilderness.

 

We also know that 'God' created male and female humans in 'their' image so there had to be more than one who did the creating in the 6 day creation.  Interestingly, the word for 'Spirit' is feminen in the OT.  And this would make sense in that Jesus said that one had to be born again by the Holy Spirit in order to be in the KOH.

 

More evidence suggesting that the Holy Spirit is the 'female' God, is found in Revelation 12.  This 'Woman' was in heaven, gave birth to Jesus and gives birth to the rest of Her offspring in the last generation.  Mary, Israel and the 'church' were never in heaven so this Woman has to be the Holy Spirit.  Jesus would not be interested in a bride that also gave birth to Him, so this 'Woman' can't be Israel, Mary or the Church.  It is really that simple!

 

One who is therefore born of this same 'Woman' would have a sur name of God, thereby being in the 'family of God.  So yes, they too would become 'gods' as brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ.

 

 

What i quoted earlier was from Ellen G White Writings .

Are you insinuating that Jesus was born or created or  that Jesus Christ is a creature ?

Your third paragraph is very confusing, you said:  "This 'Woman' was in heaven, gave birth to Jesus and gives birth to the rest of Her offspring in the last generation.  Mary, Israel and the 'church' were never in heaven so this Woman has to be the Holy Spirit.  Jesus would not be interested in a bride that also gave birth to Him, so this 'Woman' can't be Israel, Mary or the Church.  It is really that simple!"

So "this Woman" can't be Mary, Israel or the church, but can be "The Holy Spirit" who, as you alluded to, also  gave birth to him; making The Holy spirit His mother. Why would he be interested in a bride (Holy Spirit ?) who is also his mother ?

Sorry Jason, but you need to get your reading glasses on.  The Holy Spirit gives birth to both Jesus and the "Bride" --- Duh!  While the 144k and the 5 wise become 'family' of God by being born of the same Mother, the Holy Spirit, the 'bride' as found in Rev. 7:9-15 is the group that comes out of the time of trouble and are saved, but they become family because of them being the bride, not the brothers and sisters like the 144k and 5 wise.  But then, you wouldn't understand all of this because only the "wise' as found in Dan. 12:10 will be able to understand it.  Can't help you there Jason...
lol  wow! First time I am hearing this
Alex, same goes for you to son, as you clearly don't understand how Michael became Jesus Christ by being placed into Mary by the Father AND the Holy Spirit as a zygot, like we do 'test tube babies' today.  Jesus could NOT have any DNA from Mary as this would have caused Jesus to not be perfect as the "Passover Lamb".  Of course you will not understand this until you too become like a child and get rid of your preconcieved ideas and dogma passed down by people who never knew Jesus.

Rich

I not too sure I understand what is going on here but what I do know is that Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit so then the Holy Spirit Melchisedec. 

Rich is no longer a member of this site and will not answer you. His opinions are not in accordance with the bible either, he does not believe in most of the new testament. 

Teresa

No i have been SDA all my life and yes I believe that Mary was born as the rest of us. don't know why you asked.

From my studies Melchisedec is the Holy Spirit. Read Hebrews 7 and Sabbath sermon posted a link here on it which has info you can take a look at it also.

blessed.

Teresa

Jesus could not have come through the order of no sinful man he had to come through perfect hence he came through the order of Melchisedec the Holy Spirit who the bible refers to the King of Peace and Jesus is the Prince of Peace.

I think I can clear up the confusion. Leslie Ann, you said that Mary was conceived by the Holy spirit. I think you meant to say she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. I hope that clears up that.

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