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this was actually put up on facebook by my staunches conservative christian lady friend who usually with her mother posts antigay stuff on the wall ....

i think the picture i show them of JESUS is having a sweet effect on their hearts on others

praise God! wow

known her and her dear family since 1975

i hope hear from her soon regarding this in her own words

i may have gotten mixed up

:)

Bake for them two

gay weddingIn Jesus’ time, the nation of Israel was under Roman rule. The Israelites were allowed to live there and practice their faith for the most part, but they had to pay taxes to Caesar and obey the Roman laws.

To the Israelites, the Romans were evil and ungodly. They had no place ruling over God’s chosen people in God’s chosen nation. That land had been promised to Moses and his descendents when God brought them out of Egypt. Their very presence in the land was blasphemous.

One of the Roman laws stated that any man could be required to drop what he was doing and carry a Roman soldier’s equipment for him for up to a mile. In the sermon on the mount, with his followers gathered around him, Jesus referenced that law and told his followers what they should do in that case:

“If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.” ~Matthew 5:41

Go with them two miles. That was not the advice that most of the people in the crowd that day had been hoping for. That was not the conclusion that they would have come to on their own, following this man that they hoped would lead them to victory over the Romans. That was certainly not respecting their religious beliefs — go with them two! What if their neighbors saw! What if seeing them carrying the Roman’s equipment caused other Jews to think the Roman oppression was okay? What if there was other work that needed to be done — good work, charity work even, but they spent all that time carrying equipment for the evil oppressor? But Jesus is not worried about any of that:

“If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also,” he said. “And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Christians, our Jesus said, “Go with them two.”

If you believe gay marriage is immoral (I don’t, myself) and a gay couple comes into your shop and asks you to bake a cake for their wedding, what should you do? If God causes the sun to rise and the rain to fall on the wedding days of straight and gay couples, then what is our responsibility? If it is against the law to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation, but you believe strongly that their lifestyle is immoral, what should you do?

Christians, our Jesus said, “Go with them two.”

If you are wondering if it is worth being sued and losing your business to stand up for what you believe is right, if you miss the look of hurt in the couple’s eyes when you refuse them and only see an angry, media-driven, ACLU-led mob attacking the small business owner who is only standing up for what you believe in, what should you do?

Christians, our Jesus said, “Go with them two.”

Jesus said, not only should you follow the law of the land — the law which in America for the most part prohibits discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation — not only should you do the minimum you have to do, you should go the extra mile. (Yes, that’s where that expression comes from!) Do *twice* what the law requires.

If someone forces you to bake a cake for a gay wedding, bake for them two.

Christians, our Jesus said to not only follow the law, but to rise to a higher standard of love. Christians should be the FIRST people baking cakes — for everyone who asks us. We should be known for our cake baking. People should be saying, “There go those crazy Christians again, baking cakes for everyone. They just won’t quit!” Then, when we share the reason for our wild, all-inclusive love, people will want to hear it. “Let your light shine before others,” said Jesus, “that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Christians, when we dig our heels in and insist on our right to discriminate, we are hurting people — we are hurting so many people, so deeply. Behind the ACLU and the liberal media are real people, who have been hurt again and again in the name of Christ. Christians, you and I have hurt them. I know most of us have really good intentions, but we are making Jesus the last thing they want to hear about.

If we “snatch one person from the fire” by refusing to condone behavior we believe is immoral, but send hundreds and thousands of others fleeing churches and Christianity entirely, what have we really accomplished? Someone else will make that cake and fewer and fewer people will look to Christianity for love and hope. We will have won a battle that we were never called to fight in the first place, but lost the war.

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this what it means to spread the Gospel by our actions and intent of God's heart and love in ur eyes towards them

along with our words of Salvation

oooo i get chills!

thanku for that i love satire where ever the side it goes

i have shared before that i believe its wrong to compel the conscience

no matter where they stand

what im after is us

all of us to see How much God is really in all of us

He has paid a high price

all humans are of infinite value to HIM

and that of course has to be reflected in us

the Christians!

when its not - we block God and His great love towards others who never had the Pricelessness of seeing a glimpse of HIM

and the OP here shares one aspect of  just what that looks like with flesh

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great video Raymond Rennek

#the well meaning christians who dont see Jesus in gays need to see JESUS closer

Matt 25:31-46

Thank you MFG.  God has granted us all freedom of choice.  A choice to love HIM and to love others.  All of us need to love each other better.    

No one should be forced against their conscience to attend, give tacit ascent, or be forced to acknowledge for them what is open rebellion and sin against their God.  That is the stuff the Beast Power of Rome was, and will be.

 Reply by Heisenberg 1 minute ago

No one should be forced against their conscience to attend, give tacit ascent, or be forced to acknowledge for them what is open rebellion and sin against their God.  That is the stuff the Beast Power of Rome was, and will be.

People don't have to follow Jesus's  word, it's all voluntary.

The Bible teaches that homosexual unions are an abomination to God.  So, if you are following Jesus' word, which is all of scripture, then you are forcing people who believe in what God says, to participate in an abomination to their God.  Clearly, a violation of conscience. 

It is no different than if I were a Wiccan, and you were a caterer, and I demanded that you attend, cater, and participate in a traditional Wiccan marriage ceremony.  Wiccan marriage ceremonies are conducted "sky clad" in the pagan tradition.  In other words, everyone is nude.

However, I think there would be more of an uproar if a halal baker was forced to cater a bar mitzvah.

Again, the Adventist psyche, "Sympathy for the Devil."

Again, the Adventist psyche, "Sympathy for the Devil."

That has been my thought, but I did not know how to express it.   

MFG says:

yes yes!
Timber u r so right

anytime u see force or coercion  or in other words - try to control another

is not of JESUS


but this does not make sense because you have activists seeking out a minority of offending business in order to create this controversy.

So, I want everyone to be treated equally and I want as much freedom to be stupid as possible.

I'm OK with holding those contrary beliefs and not really deciding, because ... it's not going to be a problem for long. The acceptance of LGBT lifestyle is moving so fast that soon some of these backwards people are going to be worried that they'll need a law to get cake for themselves.

So, yeah, my whole position on this is ... let them eat cake. Penn Jillette 

In other the market decides because for every one business that refuses service there are six that will provide service.   Sooooooo who is forcing who?   

Oh we are so offended.


A world can be created where no one is rejected?  

THINK with the brain God gave you, are there people you would love, but not do things for because you feel it is wrong to do so as in the example Heisenberg gives with Wicca. 

So if this is not about power and force of a group then consider this. 

So now with all this touch feely not so love love, we have kicked it up a notch.  When it could have simply been a smile and a polite no, or I will bake the cake and you pick it up or my friend down the street will do it, but nooo! we must get nasty.  Those hateful Christians, we will show them.     

 Reply by Heisenberg 1 minute ago

No one should be forced against their conscience to attend, give tacit ascent, or be forced to acknowledge for them what is open rebellion and sin against their God.  That is the stuff the Beast Power of Rome was, and will be.

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People don't have to follow Jesus's  word, it's all voluntary.-Timber

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yes yes!
Timber u r so right

anytime u see force or coercion  or in other words - try to control another

is not of JESUS

u notice no body can control  Jesus

when as an act/Spirit of the most magnificent submission

He let himself in the hands of angry sinners

all the while..

having non condemnation for those evil people

wow!

amen Timber

amen

#let His mind/heart be in u and  me

outlined in the OP

1 Timothy 1:8-11, "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me."

Is that what some of us are, what we have chosen to endorse?

This is an interesting subject of late. I have come to the conclusion that if I own a cake shop and a gay couple wants a cake I am obliged as a business owner to give them one, because its a job. Is  it that wrong according to the word of God?  To me it's not an endorsement of a lifestyle if  I make someone a cake it is simply providing a service. At the same time I could  tell them  about god or slip them a pamphlet. It seems like it would be a good time to share God with someone rather than refusing to bake the cake.  If I am wrong  please provide scripture. because as an artist , what if i worked as a graphic designer and someone wanted me to draw the devil?  I would object to that even though it was just a job. It's a  tricky line to walk. I guess you have to look at it case by case.

On the  other hand if a church or pastor says they will not perform  a gay wedding  ceremony I  believe that is correct because that is the house of God and that would be an endorsement of Gay marriage/sin.

On the  other hand if a church or pastor says they will not perform  a gay wedding  ceremony I  believe that is correct because that is the house of God and that would be an endorsement of Gay marriage/sin. 

Is this the next step in what is happening?  People on AO will say no,  but there are others who have no concern for what others want or feel and goes against their conscience.  This issue is about power and force.  

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