is it wrong to drink in moderation?
He has an odd relationship with her. He ordains her, though she was never ordained. Calls her his spiritual leader, even though she is dead. Yet, wants to castigate her as an alcoholic. A very dysfunctional cobbling of thought patterns on the person of Mrs. White.
very good answer Herbert Leon Bryan!
Joy, do you consume alcoholic beverages?
Thank you all for replying. Rob I don't fully understand what you're saying. I thought that verse meant 'you may not eat the dead body of an animal'
Also 1 Timothy 5:23 says: do not drink water only, but take a little wine to help your digestion, since you are sick so often.
And Jesus made wine at the wedding.. so I don't understand how drinking wine without getting drunk is a problem
So how much is too much? When you are drunk or almost drunk then you know you have had enough?
Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. John 2:6
Multiply 6 by 30
Everyone must have been drunk with so much wine passing around.. .
"Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies! Habakkuk 2:15
Anyone who has ever been a drinker knows when they have had enough. Whether they stop or not is another thing. I would guess you have probably been there at one time or another.
That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. I remember getting into some hard cider and it tasted like a flavorful apple juice. A couple of them later, I was drunk. I remember being dropped off by the campus library, wandering in, and informing the evening attendant that saran wrap was his friend. No one knows when enough is enough until it is too late. There is a reason we are admonished both in and out of scripture to avoid alcohol.
I was an active alcoholic for many years, and have worked with alcohol abuse for over thirty years and have to say I always knew when I had had to much I didn't do anything about it but I knew. If that silly to you I'm sorry.
I can identify. The psychological hold took years to overcome. However, the moment you are buzzed, you have had too much. Once you are buzzed, you are in the early stages of drunk. I never blacked out. I drank until I vomited, and always had a clear recollection of what happened. I learned a few tricks from older alcoholics. Never mix your drinks, drink plenty of water before you go to bed, never sleep when the room is still spinning. The worst hangovers occurred when I didn't follow the older alcoholics advice.
I never had a black out. The closest I have come is when I couldn't sleep, a bit of an insomniac, especially when the wheels of thought keep turning at night. The doctor prescribed Ambien. I was at an academy PT'ing half the day, and studying like a madman until it was time to sleep. Well, sleep never came. I have recollections of hydrating up with nearly a gallon of water for the following PT day, being in the rec room watching TV, and then attempting to get down the long corridor to my barracks and wondering why the walls kept hitting me on the left and on the right. Then black out until the alarm until formation at 0500 the next day.
I would get requests from my classmates to stop running and PTing through the halls at night. Again, no recollection.
As an addictions specialist I can tell you that there is a difference between chronic habitual use consistent with addiction and occasional use and there is a difference between tipsy and significantly intoxicated (saran wrap.) I am a sober non-drinking individual who believes we would be better off without any alcohol. However, I am also a realist who likes to examine the whole truth rather thank picking and choosing. Those that say that the bible bans alcohol allotogether have only read a sanitized version. For example the quote from Jason from Habakkuk, refers to drinking from wine skins until drunk. Wine skins were used to store fermented wine, which was used by Jews for consuption and for religious offerings. One can choose to ignore this fact, or pretend that it was grape juice, but it isn't factual. Christians can decide to rewrite the bible or only pay attention to versions that support their point of view, but this method does not alter the truth.
The person consuming alcohol is the worst person to ask whether they have had enough. Alcohol severely impairs the ability to make rational decisions or judgements.