Apostasy Apostasy, these guys are in Apostasy According to revelations the SDA Church is the final and last church
Most Seventh-day Adventist would agree that the church is in need of revival, and reformation. The Spirit of Prophecy affirms this perceived need:
“A revival of true godliness among us is the greatest and most urgent of all our needs. To seek this should be our first work. . . .” “A revival and a reformation must take place under the ministration of the Holy Spirit.” (Selected Mes-sages, vol. 1, pp. 121,128).
Yes, Ellen White called for revival and reformation. But you are aware that she also warned of “a condition of anarchy and wild uncertainty” that “will seek to pervade of all ranks of Seventh-day Adventists”? (Letter 40a, 1897). In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist church is going to experience an uprising of internal forces that will attempt to break its system of organization and abandon the legitimate, God-ordained authority of its leadership. A spirit of independence will threaten to fragment the church into a disorderly array of autonomous movements. Will members will become wildly uncertain as to the church’s standing and authority.
“If the world sees a perfect harmony existing in the church of God, it will be a powerful evidence to them in favor of the Christian religion. Dissensions, un-happy differences and church trials dishonor our Redeemer. All these may be avoided if self is surrendered to God and the followers of Jesus obey the voice of the church. Unbelief suggests that individual independence increases our importance, that it is weak to yield our own ideas of what is right and proper to the verdict of the church; but to yield to such feelings and views is unsafe and will bring us into anarchy and confusion. . . Let individual judgment submit to the authority of the church.” (Testimony for the Church, vol 4, page 19).
The principles here expressed speak so directly to some professional re-formers that I would venture to say they will find it hard to believe Ellen White really said such things. “Obey the voice of the church”? “Individual independence . . . will bring us anarchy and confusion”? “Let individual judgment submit to the authority of the church”? Did she really write such things? Yes, and if you think the ideas expressed in this quotations are heavy, your head will really spin when you read this: “The Redeemer of the world does not sanction experience and exercise in religious matters independent of His organized and acknowledged church.” (Sketchers for the Life of Paul, page 31)
“I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. It is not the least consistency in this, there is not the least evidence that such a thing will b e.” (The Remnant Church, p 53)
“We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization; for this would mean apostasy from the truth.” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, page 390.)
“God has a church upon the earth, who are His chosen people, who keep His commandments. He is leading not stray off-shoots, not one here and one there, but a people.” (Review and Herald, vol. 3, p. 82)
“I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He as appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time” (Selected Messages, vol 2, p. 397).
“No advice or sanction is given in the Word of God to those who believe the third angel’s message to lead them to suppose that they can draw apart. This you may settle with yourselves forever. It is the devising of unsanctified that would encourage a state of disunion. . . .
“There must be no separating [of the faithful from the church] in this great testing time” (Selected Messages, vol. 3, p. 21; words in brackets added for contextual clarity.)
There is no inspired word, either in the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy that foretells the failure of the Advent movement and the rising of another. According to Revelation, which is the last book of the Bible, the prophetic agenda reads like this:
That’s the whole story as it appears in prophecy. There is absolutely no indication that this scenario is conditional or that another movement beyond the remnant will arise.
The very same conclusion is clear in the earlier prophecy of the seven churches. Each successive church reveals the progressive developments and transitions that God’s people experience down through history. Ephesus introduces the early apostolic church. Pergamus and Thyatira reveal the formation and fall of the papacy. Sardis brings to view the rise and fall of Protestantism. Philadelphia present the birth of Adventism and the opening of the judgment in heaven. Finally, Laodicea concludes the picture by describing the lukewarm condition that would paralyze Adventism. A divine diagnosis is made. A remedy is prescribed. And a promise of high honor is given to all who overcomes the sleepy plight of Laodicea. But no denunciation is issued.
There are only seven churches, not eight. Seven is the prophetic number for completion, which indicates that God will finish His plan within the framework of the seven churches with no need for an eighth. The cycle of rising and falling churches ends with the seventh church. Some overcome and some do not, but no new movement emerges.
Both the remnant church in Revelation 12, and the Laodicean church in Revelation 3 are identified in the Spirit of Prophecy as symbolic representations of the organized Seventh-day Adventist Church. This being the case, logic drives us to the conclusion that the Seventh-day Adventist Church will continue as God’s recognized movement “until the end of time.” To draw any other conclusion would be to believe that God’s prophetic glance failed to see all the way down to our time and beyond. It would also require us to venture out beyond what is writ-ten in prophecy and take a blind leap into a new movement nowhere foretold in the word of God. The One who knows the end from the beginning just does not work this way. “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets” ( Amos 3:7).
For years I have borne my testimony to the effect that when any arise claiming to have great light, and yet advocating the tearing down of that which the Lord through His human agents has been building up, they are greatly deceived, and are not working along the lines where Christ is working. Those who assert that the Seventh-day Adventist churches constitute Babylon, or any part of Babylon, might better stay at home. Let them stop and consider what is the message to be proclaimed at this time. In place of working with divine agencies to prepare a people to stand in the day of the Lord, they have taken their stand with him who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God day and night. ...
Although there are evils existing in the church, and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard. The world is a workshop in which, through the co-operation of human and divine agencies, Jesus is making experiments by His grace and divine mercy upon human hearts.
Angels are amazed as they behold the transformation of character brought about in those who yield themselves to God, and they express their joy in songs of rapturous praise to God and to the Lamb. They see those who are by nature the children of wrath, converted and becoming laborers together with Christ in drawing souls to God. They see those who were in darkness becoming lights to shine amid the moral night of this wicked and perverse generation. They*1893 (first published), Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 36-62.
In my view, Catholic bashing was a problem in Ellen White's day, and it is still a problem today.
Truth must be given, but much of what we now have (with regards to 'exposing' the Catholic Church) does not help anyone. Ellen White commented,
“Brethren, I feel hurt when I see that so many decided thrusts are made against the Catholics. Preach the truth, but restrain the words which show a harsh spirit; for such words cannot help or enlighten anyone.” (Counsels to Writers and Editors p.64)
“It is true that we are commanded to "cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." Isaiah 58:1. This message must be given; but while it must be given, we should be careful not to thrust and crowd and condemn those who have not the light that we have. We should not go out of our way to make hard thrusts at the Catholics. Among the Catholics there are many who are most conscientious Christians and who walk in all the light that shines upon them, and God will work in their behalf.” (9Testimonies p.243)
"The best way to expose the fallacy of error is to present the evidences of truth. This is the greatest rebuke that can be given to error." (Evangelism p.170)
JayExodus does not mention anything about Jesus and His love. Nothing even reminiscent of Christ in his post. His posting appears very anti-Christ. Very dangerous.
QUOTE "The overwhelming proof of Jesuit infiltration into the GC SDA churches has forced me to speak out. And I can only do that which I am created to do.
Isa 8:12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.
13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him "Yahweh" be your dread.
Why all this worry over a failing church ? A church is an assembly of people. There are over 500 church assemblies out there keeping the seventh day Sabbath and other Scriptures, apart from SDA. So if there is a better sola scriptoria assembly near where you live, than as light on a hill, make the spark of fire and get the world on fire for Jesus, if there is no better assembly, start with your own home church....and seek Jesus....
yourself with others as you witness.....
The general conference is not the Home Church, we are the living stones of Jesus, the light of His will on earth...seek Him, not come along to warm some pew...once a week...seek Jesus daily....
Re 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
No command to leave the assembly here....
Re 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
The word "Babylon" is not a word for "church" or "assembly" , the term can mean a church, but this word stems from "Baal" or "Confusion" and in Ancient Hebrew refers to "home effort that comes to nothing" it is a person who is in legalism, trying to save himself with self powered effort. And yes Baal is very much in SDA people who come weekly to make up the Assembly or Church. But Babylon is not a church as such, but a system of churches who practice Baal, the religion named in the OT, that opposes God's religion, which has no name, but in Hebrew, those who crossed over from death unto life, and followed Jesus and were later known as Christians.
So leaving the SDA church does not make Baal go away, Baal or Babylon is within us, only God can take Babylon out of our lives, hence the message, come out of Baal my people...sure it will become a global system of Baal, but for now I see running away from one church to another is not going to help....the real problems of apostasy is legalism and that is within ourselves.
I dont know what you are insinuating but this is what i typed.
"heres an article i found on another religious website http://www.sdaapostasy.org/ This is very disturbing facts. please share your views on this"
tell me where in this led you to jump to the anti-christ conclusion?
you are taking your facts from adsapostasy website. Do you believe that the SDA church is in apostasy?
i dont know what to believe at this time. that is why i sought clarification on the matter here. i mean when you have a decorated Pastor of the sda church promoting non-christian views i cannot say i dont think the church is in apostasy.
well prophecy has failed right? You see some church members are in apostasy but the church is not in apostasy.
Who do you believe is behind this site you frequent for you information? It is Satan himself
Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there are tares amid the wheat….Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people who keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus…. God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God.” — TM 45, 58.
When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.” — 3SM 18.