Is the Trinity doctrine biblical? or is it beyond our comprehension and not a matter of salvation? Bible and Spirit of Prophecy quotes if possible please...
yes it's biblical. There re many biblical text and quotes from SOP to prove it. There are Three persons in the Godhead
The reasons the founders of our church, including Ellen White, opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, is because it destroys the personality of God, the Father, and the Lord, Jesus Christ, not because they denied the three persons of the Godhead. The Trinity doctrine teaches the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one person, and yet three persons, at the same time. This is the maddening wine of Babylon, and it will cause Adventists to turn into fanatics, and weaken our message.
".. there is only one God, the almighty Father, his only Son and the Holy Spirit: the Most Holy Trinity.",Catechism, p. 42.
We make candidates bow to the Pope's statement before they can join our church. The prophecy is fulfilled that all Adventists will be deceived, and that "her sins have reached unto heaven", meaning that her sins have reached into the Adventist church.
Rush did E G White oppose the doctrine of the Trinity? do you have a statement to that effect please?
"Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages” (RH June 1, 1905)
“The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.” (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268)
“The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” (Ellen White SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129)
“Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ”(James White, December 11, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16)
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush.” (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185)
"Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denomination's Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity." George Knight, Ministry, October 1993, p. 10.
Thanks for your Reply Rush
But that did not show E G White denying the Holy Spirit was part of the Godhead?
The Trinity is called He, as in one person, yet in three persons. Plus, it comes from the Pope. These are the main reasons Adventists have historically rejected the doctrine. Not because they denied that the Holy Spirit was a person, or denied the Deity of Christ. The Trinity doctrine does solve these problems, but it's not the only way to solve them. The solution I prefer is to believe the Bible, just as it reads.
1 Cor. 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
1 Tim. 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
2 Cor. 1:3 Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2 Cor. 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph. 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Repeatedly, the person of "God" is identified as "The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Not the Trinity.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Thee, the only true God. Not Us, the only true God.
This should be easy to comprehend. It's just our pride that keeps us from admitting we've been deceived. But, God has allowed us all to be deceived for a purpose. There will be a repeat of the 1844 experience to sift us out, once again. Some will humble themselves and confess their errors. Others will harden their hearts and justify themselves, like the Pharisees did, and reject the Straight Testimony, and the Latter Rain.
Recently, I had a bit of confusion about this topic cause some Adventists say the Holy Spirit is like a creation of Jesus or another form of him or just his spirit. Lots of theories out there and I guess they say this to reject the trinity doctrine.
But in my mind I started going back to basics, You have statements like "there are three that bear witness in heaven" and Jesus himself said, " he would leave but send a comforter". And my mother told be years ago she felt the presence of the Holy Sprit as a being that sat with her as she ate. It was just the feeling she had of peace.
I think the confusion comes with the idea of monotheism which is the worship of one God. Because as I understand it Jesus is a God and the Holy Sprit is also a God. But I guess the Father is the true God and Jesus and the Spirit submit themselves to the will of the father, yet the father exalts Jesus above all. It's very interesting the relationships and dynamic of it all. It's very much in contrast of who we are as human beings. We always have to be the leader and in charge, but with God, ,he exalts the one that submits himself the most.
Jesus was the God of the old testament he was in the pillar of cloud by day he was in the pillar of fire by night he was the Father of the Israelites but he was not the infinite God. he was however God in the son of Jesus because the Father gave him all of his attributes and made him equal with himself.
Hi Leslie Ann
Good to see you back here with us. A long thread to read through :-)
Hi John B nice to be back