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THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IS NOT ONLY WARMING IN GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO IN THE CHURCH.  SDA MEMBERS ARE DIVIDED WITH ISSUES SUCH AS GAY MEMBERS, WOMEN PASTORS, DRUMS AND ELECTRIC GUITARS FOR WORSHIP.  WILL THE GEN CONFERENCE SACRIFICE ITS BASE BELIEFS AND ROOTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRESSIVE NEW CULTURE AND TO HARMONIZE WITH THE LEFT LEANING THINKERS?  

IN TEXAS, SOME SDA MEMBERS OF LATINO BACKGROUND HAVE BROKEN OFF INTO WHAT IS QUICKLY GAINING GROUND. THE NEW “IGLESIA ADVENIMIENTO DEL SEPTIMO DIA IS GROWING WITH MOSTLY EX SDA WHO WANT A MORE TRADITIONAL AND CONSERVATIVE WORSHIP.  TRADITIONAL SONGS HYMNS. NO JEWELRY OR MOVIE THEATER ETC.  WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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There were divisions and problems in the first century church. Nothing new under the sun.

SO TRUE.

These are all good values that should be practiced by all of God's people, but we are not going to disfellowship a member or conference for watching movies or wearing jewellery or singing contemporary gospel songs or for eating meat, cheese, eggs or milk. It is not our role to purify the church. What did the people say about the wheat and the tares? 

The work of separation is the work of Satan. Who says that those who join this new organisation are pure and holy or will remain pure and  holy. How many coming outs will there be? I am sure that these new new organisations will be one 'corrupt', will this lead to a new organisation? When willit stop?

Rick seems to me you are talking about bringing a unconsecrated worldlings in to the church and change the church to suit the tastes of worldlings.

I do not know your preferences about what you see as fitting in Church. But to me it is not rock music. I can well understand those Latinos who wants to preserve some semblance of reverence.    

EGW has this to say about some of these changes in the Church:

Already the doctrine that men are released from obedience to God’s requirements has weakened the force of moral obligation and opened the floodgates of iniquity upon the world. Lawlessness, dissipation, and corruption are sweeping in upon us like an overwhelming tide. In the family, Satan is at work. His banner waves, even in professedly Christian households. There is envy, evil surmising, hypocrisy, estrangement, emulation, strife, betrayal of sacred trusts, indulgence of lust. The whole system of religious principles and doctrines, which should form the foundation and framework of social life, seems to be a tottering mass, ready to fall to ruin. The vilest of criminals, when thrown into prison for their offenses, are often made the recipients of gifts and attentions as if they had attained an enviable distinction. Great publicity is given to their character and crimes. The press publishes the revolting details of vice, thus initiating others into the practice of fraud, robbery, and murder; and Satan exults in the success of his hellish schemes. The infatuation of vice, the wanton taking of life, the terrible increase of intemperance and iniquity of every order and degree, should arouse all who fear God, to inquire what can be done to stay the tide of evil. {DD 30.3}

ELIJAH SAID: "Rick seems to me you are talking about bringing a unconsecrated worldlings in to the church and change the church to suit the tastes of worldlings"

NO NOT AT ALL, JUST OPENING UP AN INTERESTING ISSUE FOR DISCUSSION.

THERE IS A CLEAR DIVISION AMONG NOT ONLY SDA BUT CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL ON SOME OF TODAY'S HOT SOCIAL TOPICS AND THEY HAVE NOW TRICKLED INTO THE "CHURCH". 

MY SISTER IN LAW IS GOOD FRIENDS WITH WITH AN EX SDA LADY FROM DALLAS WHO IS NOW A MEMBER OF THE SAID CHURCH.  THEY SUPPOSEDLY PRIDE THEMSELVES IN BEING DEEP ROOTED IN EGW, SABBATH, TRADITIONAL WORSHIP, MODEST DRESS ETC.  THEY ARE MOSTLY EX SDA WHO CLAIM THAT THE SDA IS NO LONGER HOLDING TRUE TO THESE CUSTOMS.

BUT TO BE CLEAR, I AM NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST, I BELIEVE THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE COLLECTIVE GROUP OF HUMANS WHO ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR AND THAT GOD IS OUR CREATOR....IE.... JOHN 3:16.

ALSO, I GREW UP SDA AND STILL AM, BUT IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN BREWING, WHEN I WAS A TEEN IN THE 80'S, IT WAS TABOO TO DRINK A COKE OR GO TO THE MOVIES.  TIME FLY'S.  

Thanks for your reply Rick, yes those changes going on in the Church and most of them are not for the better sadly. What I should have mentioned in my first post is that according to EGW the church will stand to the end here is the quote:

"The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths. We must be divested of our self-righteousness and arrayed in the righteousness of Christ". – {2SM 380.2}

 

So whatever wrongs we do see in the Church they will be ironed out before Christs return. 

There are already division in the Adventist Church what gets me is what scripture says that we are all one in Christ Jesus.  and members of one body.

Greetings,

Even though nothing new is taking place and the incident is not only occurring in Texas but other section in the world we as Christians need hold on to that which is according to the bible teachings. 

Personally speaking:

in relation to gay members I am not in agreement with there sexual believes nor act. The bible also disagree with them in Genesis it tells us whereby God created Adam and Eve and even marry them. While in Sadom and Gomorrah persons were conducting unlawful sexual acts including homosexuals and God destroy Sadom and Gomorrah.

Additionally, I'm not sure if women pastors is biblical but, I believe when a women accept the post as a pastor she is not able to carry out the duty of the home effectively. On the other hand, if the woman lives alone or do not have a family of her own to take care of I think it's fine for her to accept the role as pastor. 

Musical instruments,

I know of some S.D.A churches that don't use drum set due to satanic possession. I think once the instruments are played reverently and acceptable to God then it's good for worship.  

Finally, everything in life have a good side and a bad side. The good for God and the bad for Satan and Satan will present himself where God is but, it is for us to stay on the path where God want us to be and to act in accordance with God.

What a good reply Bess.

"Additionally, I'm not sure if women pastors is biblical but, I believe when a women accept the post as a pastor she is not able to carry out the duty of the home effectively. On the other hand, if the woman lives alone or do not have a family of her own to take care of I think it's fine for her to accept the role as pastor. "

Correct. Paul admonished one such servant of the Church, also termed Pastor, but there were no males to do the job of serving....

Ro 16:1 ¶  I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

However in OT times, the gender male were only Pastors, in the presence of community, the males take precedence of the females, in the Pastor role, though both genders are necessary for love to flow correctly, and properly....our churches lack nurture, the functional major of females.

"in relation to gay members I am not in agreement with there sexual believes nor act. The bible also disagree with them in Genesis it tells us whereby God created Adam and Eve and even marry them. While in Sadom and Gomorrah persons were conducting unlawful sexual acts including homosexuals and God destroy Sadom and Gomorrah"

What is our Church creed going to do when gays want fellowship? We you creed the Father is a He and the Son is a He, and the Holy Spirit is a He, so why can't we enjoy the same sort of communion as God seems to?

This is public creed our Church has made based on human traditions, I have not seen a single research paper on it, nor a General Conference indicating the change, but its public, and I disagree with it....not back up by the Bible at all...We are heading into stormy waters, with our creed made entirely on human traditions.

Shalom

          I have  read your comments about SDA division. We can not deny as of today we are fulfilling the prophecy written in the Bible. Here in the Philippines, disunity is always present in every church. Why because we always want that our ways our thoughts are always right. We always want that our will are always right. without considering the will of our Lord Jesus Christ. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness , and all this things shall be added unto you.  Jesus said for I know the thoughts I have for you thoughts of good and not of evil to give you an expected end. Jer. 29;11. What we lack is reading and studying the word of God. the we lack praying asking the knowledge of God where in we have to ask the Holy Spirit that will guide us, in every thoughts. our leaders of today , our members depend on their knowledge, not on the wisdom of God. Thats why most of our churches have disunity, most of all its already the prophecy , Well, its my prayer and more prayer to ask God that the Latter rain will be poured unto us. Those  who can stand on the trials are those who are equiped with His word. May the Lord bless us all as we wait for His soon return

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