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THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IS NOT ONLY WARMING IN GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO IN THE CHURCH.  SDA MEMBERS ARE DIVIDED WITH ISSUES SUCH AS GAY MEMBERS, WOMEN PASTORS, DRUMS AND ELECTRIC GUITARS FOR WORSHIP.  WILL THE GEN CONFERENCE SACRIFICE ITS BASE BELIEFS AND ROOTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRESSIVE NEW CULTURE AND TO HARMONIZE WITH THE LEFT LEANING THINKERS?  

IN TEXAS, SOME SDA MEMBERS OF LATINO BACKGROUND HAVE BROKEN OFF INTO WHAT IS QUICKLY GAINING GROUND. THE NEW “IGLESIA ADVENIMIENTO DEL SEPTIMO DIA IS GROWING WITH MOSTLY EX SDA WHO WANT A MORE TRADITIONAL AND CONSERVATIVE WORSHIP.  TRADITIONAL SONGS HYMNS. NO JEWELRY OR MOVIE THEATER ETC.  WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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1. I don't answer to you, but to God.

2, I have given to both individuals and to ministries despite my own difficult financial situation. Often I have more time than funds to give, but I have done both the above.

3. The demanding of tithes without church epistle authority, contrary to distributing to the necessities of the saints and often unjust enrichment and causing hardship for the "giver," as the tithe is often demanded or else something will happen to the non-giver.

The use of threats by ministers, which I have experienced myself, I have heard all the various ploys and so-called authorities. Phony ministries enrich themselves, living in 10 million dollar mansions and having 10 airplanes etc.

It is disgusting.

Many will have a lot to answer for. It is stealing under fraud and false pretenses.

4. I have functioned as a minister of the Gospel for now going on 44 years, having done evangelism, counseling, ministering of healing etc., conducting fellowships, doing extensive Bible research, teaching, acting as ad hoc in whatever was needed to be done, from helps and government to acting as a pastor, playing in church music presentations and in-house bands for two organizations. All without pay or remuneration as far as financial was concerned. Now, do you have something evil to say about the above, or about me, or my character or motives?

James said 

"difficult financial situation"

Yes, and how might that come about as the promise to the tithe giver is blessed by God?

The apostle Paul had many difficulties including going hungry! 

There was famine and drought, unemployment and widows; thus distributing to the necessity of the saints. Stephan, that great man of God who was martyred was appointed to wait on tables for the daily admnistration of widows, orphans etc. as an important part of the early body of Christ.

So do you therefore also cast aspersions on these believers above as well as For me for having financial difficulty?

Furthermore; the churches have abrogated their duty to the poor and turned it over to the government in exchange for 501(c)(3) corporate status, which the wicked LBJ initiated the 501 in Congress as well as brought us the Viet Nam War to which JFK had ordered the withdrawal of troops just before he was gunned down.

The churches to a great extent have become corrupt in receiving these tax deductible cotributions in exchange for not speaking out on political and important social issues; thus abogating their duty to be the bullwork of criticism and of moral standards of the scriptures and to foster freedom, families and stable society.

There is no excuse for not following the pattern and principles set by the early body of Christ, as well as those stated by Paul as received directly from Jesus Christ. The failure to obey Jesus Christ, the head of the body of Christ is denial of he head; Jesus Christ, in not walking by the spirit in power and love and following those principles in the church epistles of Romans through Thessalonians written directly to the body of Christ. There is no excuse for that either. 

Failure to follow the Book of Acts and the Church Epistles, failure to walk by the spirit as directed by Jesus Christ and failure to believe God. Failure to distribute to the necessity of the saints and financial corruption of 501 (C)(3). In other words; apostasy just as I stated before. There is no excuse for any of this. Anyone who does not recognize these plain truthes and failures is in denial of the truth and true condition of most of Christianity.

Seems to me you are comparing yourself with Paul. You are not even worthy to be near the shadow of Paul. Paul did not lie as you do. Paul did not puff himself up as you do. You are just over bloated puffball. 

If you go to a Church where the Pastor is a Millionaire you are going to the wrong church. No SDA pastor will ever become rich being a pastor unless he is not honest as can happen even in an SDA church sadly. 

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The divisions have been here and will get worse. This is the shaking time.

it is all because we dont want to listen to what the bible says but to what our heart and the world says, it is not our duty to purge the church but it is our duty to help each other even me to learn to sit by the feet of jesus, walk in the footsteps of  and with jesus . in short we learn to see him more clearly, love him more dearly, follow him more closely. in the end all of us will be changed to be like him, and shall not fear to behold him anymore.

Why should we fear as in trembling or spirit of fear the one who gave his life for us?

We should definitely respect Jesus Christ and be thankful.

Colossians 1:25-29;

" 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;  26Even the mystery (Greek; Musterion; transliteration, but meaning divine or sacred secret) which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints (Through Paul who received the sacred secrets by revelation of Jesus Christ directly):  27To whom God would make known what ist he riches of the glory of this mystery (sacred or divine secrets again) among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (Christ by the gift of God, the holy spirit in you) 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect (Greek; teleios: meaning complete in various applications of labor, growth, maturity, mental and moral character, of full age, as E.W. Bullinger defines it in his Companion Bible Appendix # 125:1; 

  1. teleios = that which has reached its end. From telos, end. Latin finis, nothing beyond; hence perfect, in the sense of initiated. See 1Corinthians 2:6. Philippians 3:15.) in Christ Jesus.

 Paul concludes with: 29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily."

The word perfect in this usage and the other verses in 1 Corinthians 2:6 and Philippians 3:15 do not mean perfect in the sense of never making a mistake, never sinning etc. We are still human, though we are also supernatural with Christ in you the hope of glory, which is a most important aspect of the new birth, never known or available until the Day of Pentecost, as Jesus had to die, be resurrected and the spirit come down from heaven on Pentecost. The Apostle Paul was given these great sacred secrets including that Christ is in every believer. Unfortunately the truths of the musterion (sacred secrets) were lost when all Asia turned away from Paul and for the most part, the significance of the sacred secrets given to Paul for the body of Christ are still lost and ignored, not understood or even mentioned or emphasized in 98% of all Chirstianity.

Who among the Christian communities (body of Christ) understands and is fully initiated into the sacred secrets. Paul stated that there is a fellowship of the sacred secrets (musterion) and that we are to be stewards of the sacred secrets. One cannot fellowship and be stewards of that which in not known or understood. This topic is one of the most important in the New Testament, yet neglected for 2000 years or so, most unfortunate. I bet no one will be interested in this topic and investigate it further? That is because it is not part of the teachings and culture of the SDA; You do not want to listen to or obey the spirit of God spoken/written by the Apostle Paul by revelation of Jesus Christ, and as taught by the spirit of God by walking in the fellowship and stewardship of the sacred secrets, as unfolded in both scriptures and the spirit of God which agree.

James said "Sacred secrets" as if his secrets are superior to EGW writings who was a recognized prophet and did not display fruits of the flesh as James do. 

Now I realize part of Elijah’s problem; he cannot read, understand and reason, as obviously I quoted The Apostle Paul who received the sacred secrets by revelation directly from Jesus Christ himself. I referred to the Greek word musterion and its exact meaning, which is not mystery as mystery is a TRANSLITERATION OF MUSTERION WHICH IS NOT A TRANSLATION, BUT BRINGING A WORD FROM ONE LANGUAGE INTO ANOTHER LANGUAGE, IN THIS CASE MUSTERION IN ALL ITS USES IS TRANSLITERATION FROM GREEK TO ENGLISH, WITHOUT TRANSLATION OF ITS TRUE MEANING.

The sacred secrets given to Paul by Jesus Christ directly ARE NOT MY SACRED SECRETS, BUT GOD’s WHICH WERE HIDDEN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD UNTIL REVEALED TO PAUL.

THIS IS ALL ACCURATE AND TRUE AND PROVEN BY WHAT PAUL SAYS, NOT THAT WHICH  EMINATES OUT OF ELIJAH’S BLASPHEMOUS, INACCURATE AND UNLEARNED AND IGNORANT MOUTH AND MIND.

THE SACRED SECRETS GIVEN TO PAUL BY JESUS CHRIST DIRECTLY ARE THE KEYS AND FOUNDATION OF PAUL’S MINISTRY AND OF THE NEW BIRTH AND BEING A MEMBER OF THE BODY OF CHRIST. 

A fool is one who would ignorantly attack, demean and denounce and oppose a great idea or principle from God’s Word and render it under foot like a swine as Jesus said. My response is for others’ benefit and not for Elijah’s benefit, for his mind is totally closed and ignorant because of his spiritual/mental and charscter condition; unable to reason and only able to blindly attack without reason whatsoever.

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