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Is Jesus saving the world or did he only come to give mankind one last chance to be saved?  Is God trying desperately to save the world, or has he left the opportunity to be saved upon mankind itself?

When you hear some say, those who are not part of the first resurrection will be lost forever, one can only ask; how is God saving the world?  Can God save those who are not part of the first resurrection, does he not have the power of salvation in his hands? Or is there something, a mystery about God’s salvation that may not be known or understood?

One day, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” Jesus explained his reasoning.

He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.…Matthew 13: 11

Are there mysteries (secrets) that are not given to some, but are given to others? Jesus called it, the knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which is not given to everyone.  Jesus explains this by saying,

13This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

Some, Jesus said, will not and do not understand the secrets or mysteries of the kingdom of God.  In Mark 4:11 we are given greater detail.

And He told them, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables, 12so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”…

Is Jesus purposefully concealing knowledge so that some may not turn and be forgiven? Are some ever seeing but never perceiving or hearing but never understanding? are there secrets that some do not understand about God’s salvation?

As Christians, we have believed salvation is for one to turn and be forgiven, but here Jesus says, the knowledge of the mystery is being hidden so that some might not turn and be forgiven.

 

 In John 17, Jesus prayed for his disciples, he prayed,

I am praying concerning them. I do not pray concerning the world, but concerning those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

Why did Jesus not pray for the world, but only for the disciples? Yet Jesus was sent to save the world. The bible tells us this in John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This is somewhat of a paradox. If the mystery is being hidden so that some might not turn and be forgiven; how can everyone believe in Him so they shall not perish but have eternal life?

Yet, Jesus did not pray for the world he came to save, only for the disciples. He spoke in parable to hide the secrets of the kingdom of God from those who were not within; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.

What is the secret, or the mysteries of the kingdom of God? How will Jesus save the whole world? And why was the mysteries of the kingdom of God only given to the disciples?

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There is no mystery to salvation As Jesus said to Nicodemus 

Joh 3:12  If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13  No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15  that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18  "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19  And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20  For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21  But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." 

What do we see here? You need to believe its simple really.

 

Elijah,

Can everyone believe now? Thomas said, he would not believe unless he sees. Yes, Jesus admonished him to stop doubting and believe. Jesus also said, “blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Believing is a quality that is required, it grant the ability to see, but it’s not so easily gained. It is something that is summoned from within a person. Nicodemus was a Master Teacher of Jews; unto them (the Jews) were committed the oracles of God.

This man was a teacher of those oracles, but amazingly he did not know or understand the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

…9“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. 10“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?

Some are called to believe now, this is a secret not understood. No one can  saves themselves, a person must be called. Jesus told his disciples in John 6:44.

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.…

This is again reiterated to the disciples in John 6:65

Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.”…

What exactly does this mean? Jesus explains it

The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you (disciples), but not to them.…Matthew 13: 11

Only disciples are given the knowledge, those on the outside are not given it.

And He told them, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables, 12so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”…

i love this.

:)

 many secrets have been revealed

let me share a few ..

You are floating in a sea of forgiveness and grace as you are.

He looks upon you and cherishes you and knows you as if your the only person on earth.

He delights in you Now

And All the Nows.

He is the God of your Now :)

the bottom line is...

Eternal life begins the moment you truly see how loved you are by Him

The outpouring of the Holy Spirit is simply love put in your heart by beholding Him ..to its natural maturation. your natural heart in falling in love with HIM boosted with supernatural from on high.

And this wonderful ongoing closeness(love relationship)  gets bigger and broader with each day till it naturally continues on to eternity!

love this question .. the secrets get more sacred as this Love is gazed at <3

Thanks, MFG,

I believe that God have saved the world through Jesus, but has not reclaimed it; Jesus have not yet begun to reign. When that happens, the world will begin to see that love you speak of.  

God is Love, and God so loved world that He gave the Only Begotten for it.

For God loved the world in this way: so much that he would give up his Son, The Only One, so that everyone who trusts in him shall not be lost, but he shall have eternal life.

How or when is everyone to believe this? There is a veil which blinds the world from seeing this love of God now.

We read in 2 Corinthians 4

3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.…

The world is perishing, but God has given the Begotten to save it. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see; how will this end?

Cannot God save the world, or will the world perish?

Peace 

Gene wrote: "Is Jesus saving the world or did he only come to give mankind one last chance to be saved? Is God trying desperately to save the world, or has he left the opportunity to be saved upon mankind itself?
When you hear some say, those who are not part of the first resurrection will be lost forever, one can only ask; how is God saving the world? Can God save those who are not part of the first resurrection, does he not have the power of salvation in his hands? Or is there something, a mystery about God’s salvation that may not be known or understood?"

   Hey brother Gene, I don't think there is a mystery about GOD'S salvation, the Bible explains it and it's understood. Of course the view you hold (which comes from the Herbert Armstrong and the WWCOG teaching), is a teaching that goes against SDA teachings. 

 Many things you write is correct, however your question shows that you have a second chance theology mentality, that simply is the belief that when Jesus comes in the clouds when all eyes can see Him, that those not in the air with Jesus will have another chance to be saved. You asked,

  Gene wrote: ".. did He only come to give mankind one last chance to be saved?"

 This implies you believe there is a second chance to be save after Jesus comes in the clouds when all eyes can see Him. That belief is wrong, and it doesn't hamper GOD for providing salvation for the world. 

Gene wrote: "Can God save those who are not part of the first resurrection,.."

 Yes, GOD can save those who are not part of the first resurrection (righteous dead), HE will save the righteous living as well, they will be changed in a twinkling of an eye and caught up in the air with Jesus and those who rise in the first resurrection. 

 The Bible said,

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Matt. 24-14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 Brother Gene, do you believe from the time of Jesus' first coming to the time of His second coming that the Gospel will be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations? 

 

 You believe billions of people won't hear the Gospel before Jesus comes right? If so, how do you explain the Bible saying the Gospel is to be preached to "all the world ", "to every creature ", "all nations "? 

 Unfortunately, you believe during the 1000 years is the time for another (second) chance for those who didn't hear the Gospel... But the time is on this side of the 1000 years to hear the Gospel and make the calling of our election sure. 

 So yes, GOD saves, but once the Loud Cry (the Great ingathering) is done, His work as mediator is finished for the world. That is done before Jesus comes in the clouds when all eyes can see Him. It's a nice thought, but the Bible doesn't teach there is a second chance to be saved after His second coming. 

Blessings! 

Well said reasoning if Gene chooses to reply to this you will find he will pull out some texts from the Old Testament. If you read those texts in isolation to what the Bible says about salvation you could well come to see it the same way that Gene does.  But as we know that approach to Bible study will lead you away from the pure truths we have in the Bible. 

Hello Reasoning, nice to speak with you again,

Yes, I believe the gospel will be preached in all the world just as Jesus said,

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Noticed, Jesus said “this gospel of the kingdom”, not the gospel of Loud Cry or anything else, but this gospel of the kingdom.

 Now, let’s examine in its simplicity what that is. It is the same message proclaimed by Jesus himself. Stands the reason he stated as such “this gospel of the kingdom”.

Why; because there will be false prophets as he says, but this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world…

Now, the gospel or “good news” is about the kingdom of God.

Mark 1:14 After Yohannan was delivered up, Yeshua came to Galilee and was preaching The Gospel of the Kingdom of God. 15And he said, "Time is coming to an end. The Kingdom of God has arrived. Repent and believe in The Good News."

Luke 11:1 It was that when he was praying in a certain place, when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Our Lord*, teach us to pray, just as Yohannan also taught his disciples."

2Yeshua said to them, "When you pray, you shall say thus: 'Our Father, who are in Heaven, 'Hallowed be your name, let your Kingdom come, let your will be done also in the earth as it is in Heaven.'

The true gospel is about the kingdom of God being implemented in the earth; let your will be done also in the earth as it is in Heaven.'

That is truly good news. Yes, everyone will hear this gospel, but that doesn’t mean they will believe it or understand it now.

Do you believe it or understand it? I’m preaching it to you right now. This gospel is the good news which Jesus preached, it’s not the gospel about Jesus.

The secret for salvation is;

accept Jesus as your Savior

Be baptize

confess you sins to one and others

and live according the word of God, keep His commandments and have the faith of Jesus.

Their is now secret for salvation. Everything is open for mankind to be save in the Bible.

When you become a Christian you are a disciple of God, and the kingdom of God will not be a  mystery for you.

Benicio, thanks for your reply,

You’re speaking of the process of salvation

…if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I’m speaking of the purpose. You say, when one becomes a Christian they are a disciple of God, and the kingdom of God will not be a mystery for you.

Exactly, as Jesus told his disciples,

And He told them, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables, 12so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”…

So, it is said in verse twelve;

12 so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.

This is somewhat perplexing wouldn’t you say, because if Jesus came to save the world why this, ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven?

Isn’t forgiveness the reason for being saved?

EGW wrote this on the Trinity (Godhead)

Misrepresentations of the Godhead

Let People Know Our Position—Our policy is, Do not make prominent the objectionable features of our faith, which strike most decidedly against the practices and customs of the people, until the Lord shall give the people a fair chance to know that we are believers in Christ, that we do believe in the divinity of Christ, and in His pre-existence.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 253 (1895). {Ev 613.2}

We Shall Have to Meet Erroneous Teaching—Again and again we shall be called to meet the influence of men who are studying sciences of satanic origin, through which Satan is working to make a nonentity of God and of Christ. The Father and the Son each have a personality. Christ declared, “I and My Father are one.” Yet it was the Son of God who came to the world in human form. Laying aside His royal robe and kingly crown, He clothed His divinity with humanity, that humanity through His infinite sacrifice might become partakers of the divine nature, and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.—Testimonies For The Church 9:68 (1909). {Ev 613.3}

Positive Truth Versus Spiritualistic Representations—I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: “The Father is as the light invisible: the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad.” “The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life.” Another representation: “The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud; the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power.” {Ev 614.1}

All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God cannot be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father cannot be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. {Ev 614.2}

The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be “the express image of His person.” “God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Here is shown the personality of the Father. {Ev 614.3}

The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.—Special Testimonies, Series B, 7:62, 63. (1905). {Ev 615.1}

The Pre-existent, Self-existent Son of God—Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.—The Signs of the Times, August 29, 1900. {Ev 615.2}

He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent.... He is the eternal, self-existent Son.—Manuscript 101, 1897. {Ev 615.3}

From Everlasting—While God’s Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding His pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. From everlasting He was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted Him, were to be blessed. “The Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God.—The Review and Herald, April 5, 1906. {Ev 615.4}

Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.—The Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899. {Ev 616.1}

Life, Original, Unborrowed, Underived—Jesus declared, “I am the resurrection, and the life.” In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. “He that hath the Son hath life.” The divinity of Christ is the believer’s assurance of eternal life.—The Desire of Ages, 530 (1898). {Ev 616.2}

With the Father at Sinai—When they [Israel] came to Sinai, He took occasion to refresh their minds in regard to His requirements. Christ and the Father, standing side by side upon the mount, with solemn majesty proclaimed the Ten Commandments.—Historical Sketches, p. 231. (1866). {Ev 616.3}

The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity—The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit—arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, ... would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.—Manuscript 130, 1901. {Ev 616.4}

Personality of the Holy Spirit—We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.—Manuscript 66, 1899 (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.). {Ev 616.5}

The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.... {Ev 616.6}

The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”—Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1}

The Power of God in the Third Person—The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.—Special Testimonies, Series A, 10:37. (1897). {Ev 617.2}

In Co-operation With the Three Highest Powers—We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,—and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.—Special Testimonies, Series B, 7:51. (1905). {Ev 617.3}

Apologize to all, been busy over the pass several weeks,not able to respond.but

Romans 8:30 says

…those He called He also justified; those He justified He also glorified. What then shall we say in response to these things?...

This is a secret about salvation. Obviously not everyone is called, “those” is not inclusive to all, but it denote a selective. The bible teaches, many are called, few are chosen. Jesus speaking with his disciples said,

John 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

Why are those who have been chosen, chosen; and why have they been called? Is this a secret about salvation not understood?

2 Timothy 1:9 says,

He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not because of our own works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time eternal.

Why has God saved those whom He has called with a holy calling? What will be their purpose, and when will God save the world?

Is God saving the world now, or is the God of Love calling some now that will save the world in the future?

 

Those called now are called to believe now. The world itself is locked in unbelief by the god of this world, but those who called out of the world become disciples and are placed in the sacred circle with the disciples, and become those who are called.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world….

…20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

But what will be their purpose, what is the secret of their calling?

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