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For the most part the whole SDA from pastors to the top have almost no understanding of the Holy Spirit field, no mentors to lead or teach this area, no desire to manifest the spirit, no miracles I have ever heard of, and no prophesy even for over 100 years. No signs followed as Jesus promised. That is a bad sign, the sign of No confirmation, not because of God, but because of the unbelief.

I just wonder if this is the picture we display to the world? Can a church that expands its membership by a million members a year be a dead church? 

To explain this poster is as far as I can tell a charismatic who believe if you do not speak in tounges you are not a true Christian. 

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I never said you have to speak in tongues to be saved, but God wants every believer to speak in tongues, as well as do the other 8 manifestations of holy spirit. There you go again misrepresenting what I have said and believe.

You have repeatedly been saying if you can not speak in tongues you are spiritually retarded. it is no misrepresentation. And as far as I am viewed by you I am of the Devil. So tell me what is the minimum requirement to be saved? How many gifts do you need to have? Where in the Bible does it say that God needs us to speak in tongues? 


It is amazing you are asking these basic questions. Never said retarded, but quenching yhd spirit. I Cor. 14:5 18 and 39. I Cor. 12:7. Your attitude and demeanor and hatred are of the Devil, which says a lot about your mind and personality.

Why did you call me "One poster?" and not by name, and state "To explain this poster is as far as I can tell a charismatic who believe if you do not speak in tongues you are not a true Christian."

I am NOT a charismatic, as the word gifts in reference to the manifestations of holy spirit were added by the translators of the KJV as those words are italicized in I Cor. 12:1, 13:2. 14:1 and 12, which has mislead believers since then. The holy spirit is the gift of God and with the gift comes the ability of every born again believer to do all nine manifestations of holy spirit which are not gifts. The manifestation of healing is a manifestation, but the healing is a gift to him healed. Therefore I am not a charismatic and disagree with many charismatics so called.

I resent your putting beliefs and words in my mouth again for the millionth time. Do you have any real friends? Why do you insist on explaining me? You are a figment in your own mind and think that you are possessed of some great Judgment to be able to be the judge of everyone's spirituality. Your ignorance, bad behavior and lack of good manners, love and kindness shown by your postings explains everything very clearly.

My hope is for reform of Christianity including SDA before it's too late, that it follows Paul and the Book of Acts.

Mr one poster seeing you just want to tell me how bad I am, and not address the question we seem to have run into a dead end already. All you seem to want to do is rubbish the SDA and tell how depraved we are. And tell us how superior you are compared to anyone else. 

No, if the SDA is quenching the spirit, which is evident, then they are quenching the spirit. Why is there no prophesy, speaking in tongues with interpretation or other manifestations in the assemblies, by ways and highways?

Explain to me how we are quenching the Spirit when we add 1 million new members to the church every year. Maybe you can tell us how many members has been added to your charismatic church in the last year?   

Tell us about you prophecy what are the revelations you are making? Like things, we have not already heard. 

I have already stated how SDA quenches the spirit. Read what I stated. Christianity has a lot of saved people, good, but that is no excuse for not believing in and operating the holy spirit. 

There are very few really tapped into the holy spirit leaders in the churches.

You and SDA have a biased and limited understanding of the holy spirit. You think God takes over an individual, and object to the term operations or operate which is the exact meaning in cooperation with God that the person does with God in fellowship in manifesting the nine manifestations. Since you and most SDA have never manifested holy spirit, you have no understanding of how it works. Even your theoretical as well as practical and doctrinal positions are in error for the most part.

You are like someone who talks about Golf, but diesn't understand the rules, has never held a golf club and hit a ball. Yet you profess to be qualified to judge whether what I dio is of God or the Devil. You in ignorance and bias have concluded I am of the Devil without evidence, understanding, revelation of discerning of spirits or even having witnessed me do anything. You Have bias and complete ignorance, yet you profess to know and make false accusations without justification, witness, evidence, or Biblical, practical and doctrinal understanding of the holy spirit field.

Your as qualified in the holy spirit field as you are in psychiatry; NOT QUALIFIED.

Yes, It must be very satisfying and self-glorifying to be in such a close communion with God, self-glorification must be a wonderful gift when you can lift yourself above everyone else. You forgot to mention how many members your fantastic church has bought to God over the last year? Speaking in tongues and prophesying notwithstanding. 

It seems to me it is all about you and everyone else is lower than the dirt you are treading. Why is it that you think it is all about you and everyone else does not matter, is this what you really think is God's will for you?  

I never said I was better or above others. The holy spirit is supposed to be actively in the believer. When it is not living and active by faith, you have spiritually a cold dead church.

You are afraid of the holy spirit, and afraid of anything spiritual, even that which is from God.

God's church which is the body of Christ is bringing in millions upon millions of  people. That is the church that I belong to, the one you say is corrupt and is involved in sodomy, and is of the Devil. I follow Paul who followed Christ. Christ is my savior, he saved me and Prevented my death many times.

God says "I would that ye all spake in tongues... Forbid not to speak in tongues... as given to Paul.

Jesus said these signs shall follow those that believe. 

Elijah says these are of the Devil, without ever having witnessed or having met me.

Jesus, Paul, John etc. are right. Elijah has stated he hates me, hates rick and he makes false accusations and judgments against many. I dislike your behavior, but I do not hate you, I hate your unbelief and ignorance. Your stubborn obstinance against the very spirit of Hod you say you follow you to not follow, but are opposed to and you have not humbled yourself to God and obeyed the commandments of the Lord in 1 Cor. 14:37;

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

You call signs of the holy spirit including speaking in tongues of the Devil. The Devil inspires you to hate me and my testimony and the truth that I speak.

You have blasphemed the holy spirit many times which I have warned you about several times. You foolishly stand in opposition to God.

James said:

 I follow Paul who followed Christ. Christ is my savior, he saved me and Prevented my death many times.

The Bible said;

1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Paul is not preaching Paul but Christ and Him crucified 

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Paul said "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." I Cor. 11:1.

Speaking in tongues is a language(s), not babbling. The language(s) are not known or learned by the speaker. If a man wants to be ignorant, let him.

You are past learning and reason. I certainly do not know it all, and I have spend almost 44 years study and practical application in the holy spirit field.

I have forgotten more than you have ever known in this field. Talk about ego; you think you are an expert in the Bible and Psychiatry; diagnosing with JasonM mental illness of me. What disgusting behavior of the most dispicable kind. I have stated over and over that I am mot involved in kundalini slain in the spirit stuff. You continue to put me in that camp over my objection, history, belief, practice and experience. In other words your a damn liar, false accuser and a scoundrel of the worst religious sort, and you are a bad witness for Christ and the SDA. I leave you in your sins and ignorance for Satan to deal with you, and God's judgment.


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