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In bible study on Friday.  I confounded the JW against their own doctrine on no trinity in the bible.  And both JW's told me they didn't have the truth in other words and that One said he was going to hell.  That he would be there.

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Then I confessed my assurance and that gave them courage.

They don't believe in hell. They believe that hell is the grave...
Peace


Jason wrote: "They don't believe in hell. They believe that hell is the grave..."



Brother Jason, maybe it was a joke, if so, I apologize, it went over my head... if not


what is your definition of hell?


My understanding is that SDA believe the same as the JW's in regards to the definition of hell.



Blessings!
No you are wrong in your understanding. While we both (SAD, JW) don't believe in an eternally burning hell, the Jehovah witnesses don't believe in hell at all. Not sure which view is more satanic- the evangelicals eternal burning hell or the Jehovah witnesses' no hell.

Their views

" People who die pass out of existence. (Psalm 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) They do not suffer in a fiery hell of torment.
God will bring billions back from death by means of a resurrection. (Acts 24:15) However, those who refuse to learn God’s ways after being raised to life will be destroyed forever with no hope of a resurrection.—Revelation 20:14, 15."


This is from their website:

" The Bible’s answer
Some Bible translations use the word “hell” for the Hebrew word “Sheol” and the matching Greek word “Hades,” both of which refer to the common grave of mankind. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) Many people believe in a fiery hell, as shown in the religious artwork accompanying this article. However, the Bible teaches otherwise.

Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.”—Ecclesiastes 9:10.
Good people go to hell. The faithful men Jacob and Job expected to go there.—Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13.
Death, not torment in a fiery hell, is the penalty for sin. “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”—Romans 6:7.
Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) God would have been lying if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell.
God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.”—1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31.



Read more here (more in-depth)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989234

I believe so far that the two JW's do believe that hell is the grave or death.  Because one of them the main speaker the one I know the best says "we are all going to hell"  I quote accurately this one.  And he said it with such uncertainty like in the English language with a question mark at the end not an exclamation point.  Rather with uncertainty.  The JW church I've been invited to even more again probably them trying to convert me into their church- their individual church elders are really shaken up by me being there and being able to share the Adventist Message at their church.  But the laymen at that church don't seem to be shaken they just seem to continue in their lie.  The cross is the only thing that can deliver people from heresies and/or apostasies.  I was talking to Bonnie she married into the Adventist Church by her husband Harvey, but she states that she was never a JW.  Her mom was a JW and died a JW.  :(  In my entire life I know of only 1.  woman that ever gave up being a JW into the Adventist Church.  In all the world She is the only one I know personally that gave up all that bad sad stuff.  I try to win Protestants, but I haven't had much success with other denominations bringing them into the Adventist Message & I've devoted my life to winning souls since baptism 2002.  I have had better success to the glory of God with sharing Jesus with them and telling them to go to church, and/or getting them to walk faithfully with the Lord in the church they want to be in.  Because some people have a hard time with change & don't like to be the odd ball & maybe have very strong connections with the church they belong to and many of them don't want to fully protest.  It is uncouth in my wife's language.

Andrew great to see you are working for the Lord I do hope you are not compromising on the SDA Message, even that they may not accept is the seed must be sown.

 

Peace


Jason wrote: "you are wrong in your understanding. While we both (SAD, JW) don't believe in an eternally burning hell, the Jehovah witnesses don't believe in hell at all. Not sure which view is more satanic- the evangelicals eternal burning hell or the Jehovah witnesses' no hell."



Let me get this straight and make sure I'm understanding you correctly... Ok, You say SDA and JW don't believe in an eternally burning hell... Ok we agree!

You also say we don't believe the same that there is a hell, you say JW don't believe in hell at all. If that is the case then why does the definition you provided from them says differently?




Jason posted : "This is from their website:

" The Bible’s answer
Some Bible translations use the word “hell” for the Hebrew word “Sheol” and the matching Greek word “Hades,” both of which refer to the common grave of mankind. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) Many people believe in a fiery hell, as shown in the religious artwork accompanying this article. However, the Bible teaches otherwise.

Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.”—Ecclesiastes 9:10.
Good people go to hell. The faithful men Jacob and Job expected to go there.—Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13...."


You said I don't understand, but they do believe in hell, their definition of hell is the same as SDA... So where do you see that they teach it's no hell?


I hope your not so stuck on them being wrong in some areas that you would tell untruths of what they truly believe in other subjects. Because again, from what I see they do believe it is a hell, which is the grave.



Blessings!
When we are in error we should acknowledge it and move on. I will repost the first two paragraph you quoted:

"Some Bible translations use the word “hell” for the Hebrew word “Sheol” and the matching Greek word “Hades,” both of which refer to the common grave of mankind. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) Many people believe in a fiery hell, as shown in the religious artwork accompanying this article. However, the Bible teaches otherwise.

Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.”—Ecclesiastes 9:10.
Good people go to hell. The faithful men Jacob and Job expected to go there.—Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13...."

As an Adventist, if you are one, do you believe in this madness quoted above? Are the saints in hell? Is hell the grave?

Does the Watchtower believe that the wicked will be burnt with fire?
Peace


Jason wrote: "When we are in error we should acknowledge it and move on. I will repost the first two paragraph you quoted:"



Bro, if I'm in error in believing the JW teach hell is the grave then that's ok, but I'm saying I don't see from what you posted from them that they don't believe in hell as you say. That's the error on your part in my view right now, I'm still waiting to see proof. Trust me, I have no problem with being in error.



Jason wrote: "As an Adventist, if you are one, do you believe in this madness quoted above? Are the saints in hell? Is hell the grave? Does the Watchtower believe that the wicked will be burnt with fire?"



Don't just post something without saying exactly what you disagree with... What exactly is the madness? I don't see it.. All I see is that they believe in hell and that hell is the grave.
Yes, there are saints in hell or in other words the grave.
Yes, the JW teach the wicked will be brunt with fire, but not forever.

Hey brother Ian, you have knowledge of what the JW teach, do they believe in hell?



Blessings!
They don't believe in hell as we know it. They believe in a second chance after the Resurrection. Take a look at their scriptural gymnastics to explain away hell. Fo them there is no suffering.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989234
Peace


Hell as we know it is the grave... That's what we believe correct?

The JW believe hell is the grave as well. I don't see any proofs to your claims, if there was something then I would agree with you.

Do you believe it is suffering in the grave/hell Jason?



Bless!
That's why I asked what denomination you belonged to. We do not believe hell is the grave by any stretch of the imagination.

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