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Many are confused over the nature of Christ, Some do not understand the mystery of redemption, That the Son of God, who is equal with the Father became a man and died for us. The verses in the NT that speak of His submission to the Father, "The only True God" are carried way beyond their true meaning. A humble submission to God will reveal the truth.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1Co 2:16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Let him take hold of my strength, that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me. Isaiah 27:5. {CTr 213.1}

Imagine, if you can, yourself in Christ’s stead in the wilderness. There is no human voice you hear, but you are surrounded with demons under deceptive pretensions as angels from heaven, presenting in the most seducing attractions Satan’s wily insinuations against God, as he did to our first parents. His sophistry is most deceiving and artful in undermining your confidence in God and destroying your faith and your trust. He keeps your mind on a constant strain so that he can get one clue that he can use to his own advantage to allure you into a controversy, as if reading your thoughts to which you will not give utterance, just as he did Eve. {CTr 213.2}
He could not obtain from Christ one word to lead him on. The word, “It is written,” was spoken from point to point as he tested Him. But only the quotation of His own words that He had inspired the holy men of old to write would come from Christ’s lips. . . In our Lord’s great scene of conflict in the wilderness, apparently under the power of Satan and his angels, was He capable, in His human nature, of yielding to these temptations? . . . {CTr 213.3}
As God He could not be tempted, but as a man He could be tempted, and that strongly, and could yield to the temptations. His human nature must pass through the same test and trial Adam and Eve passed through. His human nature was created; it did not even possess the angelic powers. It was human, identical with our own. He was passing over the ground where Adam fell. He was now where, if He endured the test and trial in behalf of the fallen race, He would redeem Adam’s disgraceful failure and fall, in our own humanity. {CTr 213.4}
A human body and a human mind were His. He was bone of our bone and flesh of our flesh. . . . He was subject to disappointment and trial in His own home, among His own brethren. He was not surrounded, as in the heavenly courts, with pure and lovely characters. He was compassed with difficulties. He came into our world to maintain a pure, sinless character, and to refute Satan’s lie that it was not possible for human beings to keep the law of God. . . . {CTr 213.5}
Through being partakers of the divine nature we may stand pure and holy and undefiled. The Godhead was not made human, and the human was not deified by the blending together of the two natures. Christ did not possess the same sinful, corrupt, fallen disloyalty we possess, for then He could not be a perfect offering.—Manuscript 94, 1893 (Manuscript Releases, vol. 6, pp. 110-112). {CTr 213.6}

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me too.
Great quotes! The faith of Jesus is where our victory lies...
Jesus! There's no other way!

I seem to be reading the good stuff. This forum has influenced my choices greatly.
Praise God, I stumbled upon this EGW above here as I was looking for a response to an anti-trinitarian, Restored Jewish Names person. I think it is the clearest EGW statement on the nature of Christ that I've seen yet. Most Progressives won't like it though, it interferes with their darling book, Questions on Doctrine.
But HOW TO SEE GOD`S LOVE... if the one who was there to the cross was not God the Creator ???.
ONLY with a shocked spectacle.like that "GOD nailed to the cross between heaven and earth".... only with the most shocked spectacle was posible for God(Trinity) to convince all God`s creatures, once and forever... about HOW BIG can be God`s love for His creatures.... and how bad criminal can be Lucifer (the murder of his Creator)... and how bad can be the sin in God`s eyes and His perfect creation,
amen Gene, nice to see you again! We do get the message as to how awful sin is.We also see how great His love is!
"The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. {Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted}.
God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son." --{8T, p. 268}

"{John 17:20-23 quoted}. Wonderful statement! The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one.
The relation between the Father and the Son, and the personality of both, are made plain in this scripture also:
Thus speaketh Jehovah of hosts, saying,
Behold, the man whose name is Branch:
And He shall grow up out of His place;
And He shall build up the temple of Jehovah;...
And He shall bear the glory,
And shall sit and rule upon the His throne;
And He shall be a priest upon His throne;
And the counsel of peace shall be between Them both
.”
Zechariah 6:12, 13, A. R. V. ---{ 8T, p. 269}


Were it not for the fact that Christ is the divine Son of God then we would indeed have two gods.
The Bible makes it clear that there is one God only and none other but He. This one God is the Father:

Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Only the Father is described in the words “of whom are all things”. He is the great Source of all. There is only one ultimate Source of all things, not two or three. This one great Source is God the Father. The Son of God is not another second source “of whom are all things”. This would make Him another God. He is rather described as the one “by whom are all things”. He is the channel through which all things come to creation. All things proceed from the Father through the Son. Because Christ is the Son of God, He inherited all things from the Father. That includes the God-nature (divinity). Read Hebrews 1:1-4.

The Godhood and divinity of Christ is due to the fact that He is a begotten Son.This maintains the truth that God the Father is the one Source of all things in the entire universe. Only this can harmonize the truth of two divine beings with one (not two) ultimate sources. If Christ was not the begotten Son of God then we would certainly have two gods.

Although Christ is called God in the Bible, yet there is a clear distinction between the Father and the Son. This only serves as confirmation that the Father is the one great Source of all, and the Son is the channel through which all things flow. This in no way means that Christ is any less divine than His Father. He is just as divine for ‘by inheritance He [Christ] obtained a more excellent name than they’ being the Son of the only God, He inherited from His Father all the attributes of divinity, He was made equal to the Father. It pleased the Father that in him should all fullness of the Godhead dwell; (Colossians 1:19). Christ is fully divine; He is God essentially, and in the highest sense.


“All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all. And thus through Christ the circuit of beneficence is complete, representing the character of the great Giver, the law of life.” {DA 21.2}

“"God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3}
Nope. I'm afraid you are doing the exact same thing others do. You confuse Christ's Divinity which is unborrowed with His humanity. He with the Father is the Eternal self existent one.God has not revealed to you anything else. The Son of God is Divine. Divinity cannot be created. He has existed with the Father from everlasting. far too many saints stumble over this. "One God" in the OT was given by Christ Himself. It means one in purpose. God has revealed enough for us to know the Godhead is the Father Son, and Holy Spirit. Speculation should end there.

With solemn dignity Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." {DA 469.4}
Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as
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His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, "whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. {DA 469.5}
Again the priests and rabbis cried out against Jesus as a blasphemer. His claim to be one with God had before stirred them to take His life, and a few months later they plainly declared, "For a good work we stone Thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being a man, makest Thyself God." John 10:33. Because He was, and avowed Himself to be, the Son of God, they were bent on destroying Him. Now many of the people, siding with the priests and rabbis, took up stones to cast at Him. "But Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." {DA 470.1}
The Light was shining in darkness; but "the darkness apprehended it not." John 1:5, R. V. {DA 470.2}
Brother Billiter,

I would like to make clear that I do not believe that Christ was created. He was not created but begotten of the Father.

You mention that "You (I) confuse Christ's Divinity which is unborrowed with His humanity." I would like to note the passage from the Messenger of God:

"In him was life; and the life was the light of men" (John 1:4). It is not physical life that is here specified, but immortality, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual receives. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Life-giver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. "I lay it down of myself" (John 10:18), He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour. "This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3). This is the open fountain of life for the world." (Selected Messages Book 1, page 296, par. 2)

From the context we plainly learn that original, unborrowed, underived life can be GIVEN. It will be given (by bestowal) as a free gift to all those who believe. This is in harmony with the words of Christ when He said that God the Father gave Him that life (original, unborrowed, underived life):

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” John 5:26

This life was given to Christ by virtue of His divine birth and inheritance (being begotten with that life). We know that Christ is here talking about eternal life (original,unborrowed, underived life). To establish this fact all we need to do is ask ourselves the question: What kind of life does the Father have in Himself? It certainly cannot be mortal life. It can only be immortal life (1 Timothy 1:17) which is described as original,unborrowed, underived.

This is the Son’s life by right of inheritance. He inherited that life of his Father by birth (for He is the only-begotten Son). Therefore, Christ is the only one who has this life as the Father. It is His Father’s life and Christ inherited it by virtue of being brought forth from Him.

Christ received ALL things (by birth) from the Father.

All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all.” {E. G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 21}

The Messenger of God says plainly: The Father‟s life flows through the Son. The Father is “the great Source of all”. He is the source of life. He is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is His life that we can receive through Christ. Christ has this very same life by right of inheritance. This life was GIVEN to Him by His Father!

“"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life," Christ declares; "no one cometh unto the Father, but by me." Christ is invested with power to give life to all creatures.” {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 12}

“As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.” John 17:2

You mention that “He with the Father is the Eternal self existent one.” Is that what the quote states? I would like to mention that quote below:

Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.--Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.

Christ is indeed the pre-existent, “self-existent Son of God.” He was a Son in His pre-existence. Far from denying the fact that Christ is the only begotten of the Father, this passage actually proves the very truth of the divine son-ship of our Master. That Christ is the pre-existent Son of God. He was the Son of God before Bethlehem. Let us again use the unfailing key “The testimonies themselves will be the key that will explain the messages given, as scripture is explained by scripture.” “Christ was the Son of God; He had been one with Him before the angels were called into existence. He had ever stood at the right hand of the Father…” {E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 38}

Christ, ever since His birth before all things (Proverbs 8:22-30), has always been in close fellowship with His Father, the eternal God. “He had ever stood at the right hand of the Father”. He is equal to His Father in divine attributes for He has them by inheritance (Hebrews1:4). Notice how she said that Christ “carries the mind back through the dateless ages”. We cannot put a date on Christ.s birth in heaven. It is beyond our comprehension. We cannot compute His pre-existence by our human figures:

“Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond.” {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 919}

“Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty
years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The
existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.”
{E. G. White, Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899 par. 4}

Again “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” John 5:26


The passage in DA is such a beautiful passage, and the Messenger of God clearly states that “Because He(Christ) was, and avowed Himself to be, the Son of God, they were bent on destroying Him.” What did He avow Himself to be? The Son of God. Oh how wonderfully plain.

So why did He say “Before Abraham was, I AM.” If you will notice with me in Exodus 23:20-21:

"Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee in to the place which I have prepared.
Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions; for my name is in him."

Sister White says this Angel is Christ and we know that only divinity can forgive sins. So Christ has the name of his Father in him." All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows
out to all;" {Desire of Ages, p.21} This harmonizes beautifully with Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. His word was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, January 9, 1879; also in Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 18, 19)
Dear Brother

I believe that Jesus is fully divine and He is God essentially and in the highest sense, He has the nature of His Father; because He is the His Son. The Bible and Spirit of Prophecy is very clear on that matter. Again; for ‘by inheritance He [Christ] obtained a more excellent name than they’ being the Son of the only true God, He inherited from His Father all the attributes of divinity, He was made equal to the Father. It pleased the Father that in him should all fullness of the Godhead dwell; (Colossians 1:19).

"The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each." {8T, p. 268} When we seek to destroy the relationship of Father and Son by saying it is a metaphor, role-play, then we indeed have two gods or two sources however when we understand that indeed Christ was truly the Son of God then the truth is unfolded to us.

Again only the Father is described in the words “of whom are all things”. He is the great Source of all. There is only one ultimate Source of all things, not two or three. This one great Source is God the Father. The Son of God is not another second source “of whom are all things”. This would make Him another God (Source). He is rather described as the one “by whom are all things”. He is the channel through which all things come to creation.

"The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. . . . When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30." {Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34, par.1}

“All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all. And thus through Christ the circuit of beneficence is complete, representing the character of the great Giver, the law of life.” {DA 21.2}

We must believe who Christ avowed Himself to be.

What is eternal life brethren, Christ said it plainly "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." John 17:3. What must we know about Christ, what is the heart of the gospel. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

The Bible and SOP teaches that the Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Their personal presence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;

Where do you get out of this verse your statement:
"He inherited from His Father all the attributes of divinity, He was made equal to the Father."

You need to prove this from the Bible and EGW
The Son of God inherited nothing in divinity from The Father. What do you think unborrowed means? The Son and the Father are divine from everlasting
"For in him (Christ) dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell." Col 2:9; Col 1:19

This clearly presents that it pleased the Father that in him (Christ) should all fullness dwell. Why would the text say "For it pleased the Father" what does the Father have to do with the fulness of Christ if Christ was God in Himself, another Source. SOP says there is one source and He has a only begotten Son.

"The Son of God inherited nothing in divinity from The Father." I would have to disagree with you it says clearly:

All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all.” {DA 21}

All things proceed ultimately from God, the Father; even Christ Himself proceeded and came forth from the Father, but it has pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and that He should be the direct, immediate Agent in every act of creation. Our object in this investigation is to set forth Christ's rightful position of equality with the Father, in order that His power to redeem may be the better appreciated.” {E. J. Waggoner, Christ And His Righteousness, p. 19. 1890}Pioneer

"What do you think unborrowed means?" Let's look at the complete passage:

Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. "I lay it down of myself" (John 10:18), He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour. "This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3). This is the open fountain of life for the world. (Ellen White, Selected Messages Book 1, page 296)

Notice that this life can be given. What type of life does the Father have? We might suppose unborrowed, underived, original life. From the previous statement we see that the Father’s life flows out to all and through the Son it returns. This fits clearly with what Christ said in John 5:26 “For as the Father hath life (original, unborrowed, underived) in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life (original, unborrowed, underived) in himself.” And through Christ we can be given this life, eternal life, as a gift when we are joined to Christ.

“"God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” {EGW, ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3}

Christ is the agent through whom God has created all things, but that he himself came into existence in a different manner, as he is called the only begotten of the Father.” {J. N. Loughborough, Insert A-1, Lest We Forget, Volume 4, Number 2, Second Quarter, 1994}

God bless you brethren

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