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Jesus had taken the same FALLEN NATURE as we possess but had the perfect CHARACTER that the saved will possess

Jesus was the same as us IN NATURE NOT CHARACTER.  He already had a character before He came to our world as a human.  His flesh and temptations were as ours are.    

     He took upon his sinless nature our sinful nature, that He might know how to succor those that are tempted.--Medical Ministry, p. 181.  {7ABC 450.5}

     The holy angels were horror-stricken that one who had been of their number could fall so far as to be capable of such cruelty. Every sentiment of sympathy or pity which they had ever felt for Satan in his exile, was quenched in their hearts. That his envy should be exercised in such a revenge upon an innocent person was enough to strip him of his assumed robe of celestial light, and to reveal the hideous deformity beneath; but to manifest such malignity toward the divine Son of God, who had, with unprecedented self-denial, and love for the creatures formed in His image, come from heaven and assumed their fallen nature, was such a heinous crime against Heaven that it caused the angels to shudder with horror, and severed forever the last tie of sympathy existing between Satan and the heavenly world (3SP 183, 184).  {5BC 1149.10} 

     Christ assumed our fallen nature, and was subject to every temptation to which man is subject.--Ms 80, 1903, p. 12.  {17MR 29.4} 

     The angels prostrated themselves before Him. They offered their lives. Jesus said to them that He would by His death save many, that the life of an angel could not pay the debt. His life alone could be accepted of His Father as a ransom for man. Jesus also told them that they would have a part to act, to be with Him and at different times strengthen Him; that He would take man's fallen nature, and His strength would not be even equal with theirs; that they would be witnesses of His humiliation and great sufferings.--Early Writings, p. 150.  {7ABC 454.1}

Notwithstanding that the sins of a guilty world were laid upon Christ, notwithstanding the humiliation of taking upon Himself our fallen nature, the voice from heaven declared Him to be the Son of the Eternal.  {DA 112.3} 

     Though He had no taint of sin upon His character, yet He condescended to connect our fallen human nature with His divinity. By thus taking humanity, He honored humanity. Having taken our fallen nature, He showed what it might become, by accepting the ample provision He has made for it, and by becoming partaker of the divine nature.--Special Instruction Relating to the Review and Herald Office, and the Work in Battle Creek, May 26, 1896, p. 13.  {7ABC 453.6}

     He would take man's fallen nature, and engage to cope with the strong foe who triumphed over Adam. He would overcome Satan, and in thus doing He would open the way for the redemption from the disgrace of Adam's failure and fall, of all those who would believe on Him. {Con 18.1}  

     Clad in the vestments of humanity, the Son of God came down to the level of those he wished to save. In him was no guile or sinfulness; he was ever pure and undefiled; yet he took upon him our sinful nature.

     Christ took upon Himself human nature, a nature inferior to His heavenly nature. Nothing so shows the wonderful condescension of God as this. . . .  {5BC 1130.6}
     Christ did not make-believe take human nature; He did verily take it. He did in reality possess human nature. "As the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same." He was the Son of Mary; He was of the seed of David according to human descent. He is declared to be a man, even the man Christ Jesus. "This man," writes Paul, "was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house" (RH April 5, 1906).  {5BC 1130.7} 

     Christ's life represents a perfect manhood. Just that which you may be, He was in human nature. He took our infirmities. He was not only made flesh, but He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. His divine attributes were withheld from relieving His soul anguish or His bodily pains (Letter 106, 1896).  {5BC 1124.2} 

     Jesus was in all things made like unto His brethren. He became flesh, even as we are. He was hungry and thirsty and weary. He was sustained by food and refreshed by sleep. He shared the lot of man; yet He was the blameless Son of God. He was God in the flesh. His character is to be ours.--The Desire of Ages, p. 311.  {7ABC 449.6}

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Awesome compilation! Thanks!

The Truth is awesome sister is it not?  I hate those things with which I struggle as Paul did and I hope to have the victory over these things sooner than later.

Evil propensities are part of our character not nature.

     We need not retain one sinful propensity. . . . [Ephesians 2:1-6 quoted.] . . .  {Mar 225.7}  
     As we partake of the divine nature, hereditary and cultivated tendencies to wrong are cut away from the character, and we are made a living power for good.

In the above statement we see that PROPENSITIES are associated with the CHARACTER.  This is why Jesus "could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity." He had a PERFECT CHARACTER.

     Without the transforming process which can come alone through divine power, the original propensities to sin are left in the heart in all their strength, to forge new chains, to impose a slavery that can never be broken by human power.--Review and Herald, Aug. 19, 1890.  {Ev 192.3} 

You should humbly and carefully examine your own hearts, your own individual characters.

In the heart of Christ, where reigned perfect harmony with God, there was perfect peace.

Jesus accepted them that they might learn of Him what constitutes a perfect Christian character. The business of every Christian is to study the character of Christ. . . .  {TMK 182.3} 

I think you should read what Ellen White did say before judging someone

"It is by following in the path of obedience in simple faith that the character obtains perfection" (Lt 119, 1895).

Obedience and disobedience have to do with one's CHARACTER.  Jesus had a perfect SPIRITUAL or HIGHER NATURE for which we are striving for by God's grace.

     That which in God's dealing with us may seem to be hardship, is really mercy at every step, arousing the higher nature, and causing an abhorrence of sin and injustice, and leading us to guard against selfish practices, against artifice and injustice, against every defective trait of character. If men would practice the attributes of God, they would not have the painful consciousness of transmitting wrong tendencies and traits of character to their children, to be reproduced in their children, thus communicating the evils that might have been repressed.--Letter 65, 1895.  {3MR 363.1} 

Aquila seems to want to suggest that we are born sinners with no choice in the matter.  The TRUTH is that sin is not accounted to us unless we are at the age of accountability AND we know we are doing wrong.  It is at these points alone that we must repent of evil acts to be forgiven BUT we must ask for grace to overcome to be transformed.

"To him who knows to do right and does it not, to HIM it is sin."

I believe in your previous discussion thread with RGW and here with Aquila that there may be a pride issue to overcome for this doctrine that is being proposed suggests that we will never overcome sin even though the scriptures say that the righteous will overcome as He overcame.

You took that text out of context.  line it up with the rest and you will see that your creed is not correct for the bible agrees with itself.

Aquila quoted,

"In his sinless state, man held joyful communion with Him “in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” Colossians 2:3. But after his sin, he could no longer find joy in holiness, and he sought to hide from the presence of God. Such is still the condition of the unrenewed heart. It is not in harmony with God, and finds no joy in communion with Him. The sinner could not be happy in God’s presence; he would shrink from the companionship of holy beings. Could he be permitted to enter heaven, it would have no joy for him. The spirit of unselfish love that reigns there—every heart responding to the heart of Infinite Love—would touch no answering chord in his soul. His thoughts, his interests, his motives, would be alien to those that actuate the sinless dwellers there. He would be a discordant note in the melody of heaven. Heaven would be to him a place of torture; he would long to be hidden from Him who is its light, and the center of its joy. It is no arbitrary decree on the part of God that excludes the wicked from heaven; they are shut out by their own unfitness for its companionship. The glory of God would be to them a consuming fire. They would welcome destruction, that they might be hidden from the face of Him who died to redeem them. {SC 17.2}

It is impossible for us, of ourselves, to escape from the pit of sin in which we are sunken. Our hearts are evil, and we cannot change them. “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.” “The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” Job 14:4; Romans 8:7. Education, culture, the exercise of the will, human effort, all have their proper sphere, but here they are powerless. They may produce an outward correctness of behavior, but they cannot change the heart; they cannot purify the springs of life. There must be a power working from within, a new life from above, before men can be changed from sin to holiness. That power is Christ. His grace alone can quicken the lifeless faculties of the soul, and attract it to God, to holiness. {SC 18.1}"

It seems like he is getting more like the 2520 people.  Just cut and paste.  Still not sure what your point is from these words????

Who is Aquila?  I don't see any of his posts here.

Defender, have you seen the following text?

     "The human nature of Christ is likened to ours, and suffering was more keenly felt by Him; for His spiritual nature was free from every taint of sin. Therefore His desire for the removal of suffering was stronger than human beings can experience. . . ."  {7ABC 449.7}

I believe that the above statement makes it clear that Jesus spiritual nature was free from every taint of sin and not His human nature.  Any thoughts?  I know he did not choose to sin but his nature was wanting Him to like ours does.

Ellen White also said that he had no propensity to sin. This does not mean that he took an unfallen nature like Adam's before the fall.

Is it possible that propensity has to do with the spiritual nature? 

Are you suggesting that his fallen human nature had a propensity to sin considering John 14:30 and SoP.

no, I asked about the spiritual nature. Isn't it different than the human nature?


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