Since so many people here seem shy about "complex" discussions and would love to live in a black and white world as opposed to the HD colour world we live in - I'm going to dumb this question down to it's simplest point.
Show me a verse in the Bible where it says either "women cannot be ordained" or "only men may be ordained".
Benicio: "If a women cannot be an ordained minister, she cannot be one of the 144.000. She cannot! Do you see how deep this can go."
Benicio, Brother, you bring up a good point, does anyone believe the 144,000 is just men? I don't believe when we're told to strive to be part of the 144,000, that it's just for men to strive for it. I thought men, women, and children was going to make up that number. Good point Bro.!!
The 144,000 are all ordained ministers?
There where ordained women ministers in Ellen White's day, and she knew of them, and it was never brought up? I'm not talking about Bible workers, or deaconesses, but the official Pastor of a church a woman, and no one ever said anything? And she never got a letter from Ellen White, or it was never mentioned in any of her writings?
To WOPE proponents,
Please read this week's lesson and see why it is extremely important not to amend what Christ has ordained (ordinances). The issues are loyalty, obedience and humility as evidences of what Christ has already done in our lives. There was discussion here on whether ordination is about what humans do by laying on of hands, versus what the Holy Spirit does in the heart of a consecrated minister of the gospel, in this case a pastor or an elder. (Alexander and Sarah Sulton might even want to follow up the discussion on who between men and women should wash the other's feet.)
The nature of baptism helps us to understand the difference between an ordinance and a sacrament. Baptism, according to those who see it as a sacrament, is the means that brings about the transformation in a person from spiritual death to life. In this understanding, the age of the person doesn’t matter, because it’s all a supernatural event anyway. On the other hand, baptism as an ordinance is an indication or symbol of an internal change (a supernatural event) that has already occurred in the life of the believer by way of his or her experience with Jesus. In this view, candidates for baptism ought to have already experienced faith in Christ; therefore, the question of who is baptized, and when, becomes very important.
If you have been baptized, think back upon the experience. When you understand what it means, why (in a sense) do we need to be 'baptized' every day? How can this be accomplished?
TUESDAY November 27
The Ordinance of Humility
It’s hard to imagine the pain that must have been going on in the heart of Jesus as He - about to face the Cross, the greatest humiliation possible - saw the jealousy and infighting among His own disciples over who would be the greatest in His kingdom.
Our world is so twisted and perverted by sin that we have it all backward, however 'rational' and 'sensible' backward may seem. Who in their right mind would rather be the one serving than the one served? Is not the whole point of life to get ahead, to become wealthy, and to be someone who is waited on and attended to by others rather than being the ones who serve? It’s no wonder, then, that at the Last Supper, Jesus washed the disciples’ feet. No words He would have said could have conveyed the truth of what real greatness is in the eyes of God more forcefully than His washing the feet of those who should have been kissing His.
What does John 13:1-17 teach us about foot-washing as a part of the communion service?
So much amazing truth rings out through these verses. In verse 3 it says that Jesus knew that the Father had given “all things into His hands”. What happens next? Yes, Jesus, knowing full well that “He had come from God and was going to God” (NKJV), rose from the meal and started washing the disciples’ feet (vs. 5). Even without fully knowing whom Jesus really was, they must have been astonished. How could they have failed to see the lesson there?
Before claiming for ourselves all that Christ has done for us, how important it is to come to the Lord’s Supper with a sense of our own humbleness and lowliness and need of divine grace.
Whose feet might it do you some immense spiritual good to wash?
There are just as many if not more who disagree from Scripture....we disagree even from EGW (Teresa has posted on this clearly) that the interpretation given by you and others is faulty and in error. But if that is what you choose to believe, that is you. You will have the choice not to attend a church where there is a female ordained pastor, but do not attempt to "condemn" those who are convicted differently from following their convictions by the Holy Spirit, based on Scripture.
There are actually many such texts. However, you are asking the wrong question. The more important question is:
"Where in the Bible is there a text commanding, authourizing or giving permission for God's church to ordain women?"
To engage in a practice for which there is no biblical command or authorization is placing one's self equal with God. Satan was thrown out of heaven for this. By what line of reasoning will God now save those who are doing thw same things."
Playing games with God is not smart. God will always win.