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I do not believe in the trinity or blood sacrifice.  God is all powerful and doesn't need petty rituals to forgive sin only the devil needs a ritual.  God is alone at the top but acted through Christ that we might achieve enlightenment and give up war, but we refused a man of peace and killed him for no reason.

As the title suggest I feel that the Devil is always blamed for the wrongs Christians commit and Jesus is used as an excuse to get away with what ever they want. Because most Christians feel that the Mosaic Law has passed away they believe they can sin all they want with out consequence simultaneously they say, "the Devil did it and Christ forgives all." This has created a culture of people who do not think they are responsible for their actions, people who feel they can get away with what ever they want, because in their eyes the Devil makes them do it and Christ will Forgive every thing. The main weakness of Christianity in my eyes is that many who follow it's teaches develop a lack of care or respect for their own actions and lack any since of responsibility. Many not all, do not feel guilt or remorse for their actions. I once asked a preacher "if Hitler asked Christ for forgiveness before dying would he be forgiven", I was shocked when he told me yes. 

Can people go around not worrying about the effect their actions have?

Christ himself Prophesied against them, these kinds of false Christians,
Saying: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

The other extreme are those Christians who become so filled with pride and arogance that they mock and belittle others whom they believe to be Un-Christian thus they have become like the Pharisees,

and Christ said:

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:  “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.  So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;  they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.  And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.  Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.  The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 

 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?  You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?  Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.  And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.  And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.  And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.  Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?  Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abelto the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."

"Like moths to the flame they flock to Lucifer's light stricken with awe 
and blinded by the light. 
But I say unto you it is better to wade in the darkness 
than to be blinded by the light
so from the shadow of God let your soul take flight."

Oh Woe to you,
Merry Makers and defilers of all that is holy each moment that passes the end draws ever nigh. Us men do not know thee exact time of it's coming but verily it is coming,
it is coming you've all closed your eyes in fear, It is coming 
it is coming You've all clasped your ears in fear, It is coming 
It is coming You've all sowed your mouths shut in fear, It is coming
It is coming,
N though hearing you shall not hear
Though seeing you shall not see
Though speaking You shall be as mute
and though alive you are as dead.
Dead to the spirit withering away till all that remains is dust.
But Woe you've good reason to fear,
for when it comes all shall reap the bitter harvest of what they've sown.
"The only never changing thing is that forever there are changes, 
that is why I say unto you 
be like a bamboo tree that sways with the wind
rather than a Great Oak that
snaps when the storm comes."

Woe to the unrepentant, the slothful, the fools you who have rejected wisdom shall welcome death upon your door. But fear not, Not a single man shall be raised as an army to besiege you after all God and her angels need not that aid of mortal beings. Remember the plagues of Egypt and hold them tight in your memory for like things shall come to pass.
"He said unto me, You are my son; 
today I have become your father. You shall be my witness among men." 
"My Dwelling is amongst you,
My Word is my Fire heed it or burn!"

In this modern era total reliance upon technology has rendered most as useless as dust. 
The hectic pace of every day life drives many a man to the broad gates of destruction, while only a few can SEE the path to tranquility
can become as water 
always adapting and changing to fit its environment.

Thus it is that they as rigid as stone crumble when calamity overtakes and stumble when temptation quakes them. So bound by their flesh made passions they witness not the wonders within this world.

Every waking moment they attempt to jump hurdles they might never get over. Few are those who get up when they fall. Fewer even are those who will accept their fall.

And so though possessing legs they refuse to walk
though possessing eyes they refuse to see
though possessing mouths they refuse to speak
though possessing hears they refuse to hear

They who see truth in untruth shall never witness the power of God.

Hear me oh peoples of the Earth,
This is what the mouth of the Lord says:
"At the beginning when Adam fell from grace I set apart for you a place where you could redeem yourselves, many times I've pondered whether or not I should erase your existence from this Earth. But Noah a Righteous man pleaded on behalf of all humanity, I allowed you all another chance but oh how you have strayed from the path again, this time I will not lift up a hand against you to bring your extinction, I will put your fate in your hands, you all will determine if you will continue on or perish at the hands of your weapons of mass destruction. Your fate rest in your hands.
Hear now these commandments and follow them you who hold faith:
Treat all others as you would have them treat you.
Love yourself, Love all others, and Love God with all your heart.
Be open minded, but keep to your faith.
Do not become a hypocrite but rather look for the good in others and yourself.
Do not murder, unless a sinner attempts to kill you or another, then you may but only use an equal amount of force used on you.
Do not steal, even to feed the poor or hungry, learn to fish and hunt instead.
Do not Lie, unless telling the truth would cause injury to you or some one else.
Honor your parents, so long as they do not command an evil act of you.
Do not be Envious of that which does not belong to you, whether it be material, spiritual, or mental.
Do not harm the mentally ill if at all possible, but if you must restrain them show some civility.
Let those who do not share your faith walk their own path for I created them as I did you, they have the freedom to chose me or nothingness.
Protect the oppressed from their oppressors, for the greatest gift next to life I gave is free will. 
Do not worry because it will do you no good.
Always try to have the courage to face your fears.
Always pursue truth and justice and seek to uphold the law so long as that law is a just one.
You are not to force others to wear certain clothes or to behave certain ways if they do not wish to, this command includes trying to force others to follow these commands, do not attempt that and if you do you will burn in hell.

Do not add any thing to these command or take any thing away from them,
if you do you will burn in hell.(That includes the author of this post.)

In a time of turmoil a Light will Shine in the East and a Bird will call from the West, the Great Mountain will erupt and the sky will blacken, a huge Quake will follow and a third of the ships of the sea will be washed away, and a third of the people shall perish, and yet the end will still be yet to come. This Prophesy is a warning and not a promise."

Those are the words of the lord thy god,
I am her witness among men, my words are my fire,
those who do not heed will burn by them.

"I am that am" no exception.

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Agreed this is not Holy Spirit led interesting picture chosen, what's the English saying a picture speaks a thousand words, your character shows

"Don't Judge a book by it's cover."

"Do not judge for in the same way you judge, you too will be judged and by the same measure you used."

It is not by the cover that we make our judgement, it is by the contents. What you say is not right, and it is not supported by the bible. You claim that the bible is corrupted, and yet you offer no evidence that it is. You are deceived. 

I have a personal connection with my god, I have not been deceived.  "They are but rules taught by men."-Jesus Christ

"You do not put new wine into old wine skins but rather you put new wine into new wine skins."  We can not reuse the old covenants but a person our party must come to know their god and form a new covenant with a new set of laws as it's foundation.

Judge by content you say, very well,

The Crusades, the deep divisions among the various churches, the way Christians do not tend to the sinners but instead have pious arrogant attitudes.  By the fruit of their ways you will know them and the fruits of Modern Christianity are sour apples.  Jesus preached unity not division, peace not war, and helping sinners not tearing them down.  By the fruit of their ways you will Know them.

Should we partition our selves off from those with different beliefs, I do not believe so as Jesus said, "Do not stop him for no one who is with us can in the next moment be against us.  Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.  

"Why do you call me good Jesus said no one is good except god alone."

"Are you the king of the Jews he asked Jesus, it is not I but you who says so replied Christ."

From my experience with what I see around me,when someone speaks a lot about evil,is because they think a lot about him.
You say you do not believe in trinity. I believe in what the bible says about God.

God the eternal Father is the Creator, Source, Sustainer, and Sovereign of all creation. He is just and holy, merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. The qualities and powers exhibited in the Son and the Holy Spirit are also revelations of the Father. (Gen. 1:1; Rev. 4:11; 1 Cor. 15:28; John 3:16; 1 John 4:8; 1 Tim. 1:17; Ex. 34:6, 7; John 14:9.)
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God. By His miracles He manifested God's power and was attested as God's promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to minister in the heavenly sanctuary in our behalf. He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things. (John 1:1-3, 14; Col. 1:15-19; John 10:30; 14:9; Rom. 6:23; 2 Cor. 5:17-19; John 5:22; Luke 1:35; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 2:9-18; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; Heb. 8:1, 2; John 14:1-3.)
Holy Spirit:
God the eternal Spirit was active with the Father and the Son in Creation, incarnation, and redemption. He inspired the writers of Scripture. He filled Christ's life with power. He draws and convicts human beings; and those who respond He renews and transforms into the image of God. Sent by the Father and the Son to be always with His children, He extends spiritual gifts to the church, empowers it to bear witness to Christ, and in harmony with the Scriptures leads it into all truth. (Gen. 1:1, 2; Luke 1:35; 4:18; Acts 10:38; 2 Peter 1:21; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:11, 12; Acts 1:8; John 14:16-18, 26; 15:26, 27; 16:7-13.)

Azrael posted:

Permalink Reply by Azrael17 3 hours ago

There is but one reason why you do not like me, nor could you love me as Christ commanded,

but rather you have chosen to deny me and the one who sent me, and all of those who came before me.

You do not like me because I am different than you are and it scares you, you judge me as you where commanded not to do, and you do not act in the spirit of Christ.

"Do not judge or you too will be judged."

"For I have not come to save the Saints but the Sinners."  If you felt I was wrong you should have attempted to give me a good logical response based on your beliefs rather than simply rejecting me, Christ is not in you,

Doesn't this sound like Rickey Roden again?

We must live off of the divine power from God which is sent down to us.

Fist is The Voice, Then the Word, and Then is Scripture which is scribbed by imperfect men who where inspired by a perfect God.

Listen for the Voice for that precedes and has dominance over the Word.

I respect your honest belief in the trinity but I do not share this point of view.

I do believe Christ had a connection with god but I reject his worship because he was gods son and not god.

You have heard it said god is good, Christ said do not call me good for no one is good except god alone.  If Christ is not good then Christ is not god.  Even in all his saintly splendor Christ did not claim to be good, he even broke his own decree of turning the other cheek.  When faced with corruption in gods temple Christ became angry at the praise leaders and lost his temper, turning over tables and calling them names such as a broad of vipers.

Jesus sais "before Abraham was, I am" the leading Jews then tried to kill him, because as he took credit for being God.
Another time, they rebuked him for saying someone's sins were forgiven, because only God can forgive sin.
And no, he did not break his decree. He is the righteous judge and he alone has the right to punish. So what ye did in the temple was perfectly acceptable.

I am - is a reference to I am that I am.  He was saying before Abraham was god, and when god uses a Prophet, Angel, or child of god to speak some times that person will act as if possessed by god because gods spirit is so heavy upon them that their mind sleeps while god himself takes over.  Most people have the time to say "this is what the Lord says" before that happens but Jesus had such a strong connection to the Father they could swap out on the spot.

He was saying before Abraham was Yahweh.

Lets read the whole passage there. 

(Joh 8:49) Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

(Joh 8:50) And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

(Joh 8:51) Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

(Joh 8:52) Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

(Joh 8:53) Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

(Joh 8:54) Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

(Joh 8:55) Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

(Joh 8:56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

(Joh 8:57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

(Joh 8:59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Clearly Jesus is using this in reference to himself. There is no way that an honest person can make any other conclusion. 


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