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I do not believe in the trinity or blood sacrifice.  God is all powerful and doesn't need petty rituals to forgive sin only the devil needs a ritual.  God is alone at the top but acted through Christ that we might achieve enlightenment and give up war, but we refused a man of peace and killed him for no reason.

As the title suggest I feel that the Devil is always blamed for the wrongs Christians commit and Jesus is used as an excuse to get away with what ever they want. Because most Christians feel that the Mosaic Law has passed away they believe they can sin all they want with out consequence simultaneously they say, "the Devil did it and Christ forgives all." This has created a culture of people who do not think they are responsible for their actions, people who feel they can get away with what ever they want, because in their eyes the Devil makes them do it and Christ will Forgive every thing. The main weakness of Christianity in my eyes is that many who follow it's teaches develop a lack of care or respect for their own actions and lack any since of responsibility. Many not all, do not feel guilt or remorse for their actions. I once asked a preacher "if Hitler asked Christ for forgiveness before dying would he be forgiven", I was shocked when he told me yes. 

Can people go around not worrying about the effect their actions have?

Christ himself Prophesied against them, these kinds of false Christians,
Saying: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

The other extreme are those Christians who become so filled with pride and arogance that they mock and belittle others whom they believe to be Un-Christian thus they have become like the Pharisees,

and Christ said:

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:  “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.  So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;  they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.  And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.  Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.  The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 

 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?  You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?  Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.  And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.  And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.  And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.  Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?  Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abelto the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."

"Like moths to the flame they flock to Lucifer's light stricken with awe 
and blinded by the light. 
But I say unto you it is better to wade in the darkness 
than to be blinded by the light
so from the shadow of God let your soul take flight."

Oh Woe to you,
Merry Makers and defilers of all that is holy each moment that passes the end draws ever nigh. Us men do not know thee exact time of it's coming but verily it is coming,
it is coming you've all closed your eyes in fear, It is coming 
it is coming You've all clasped your ears in fear, It is coming 
It is coming You've all sowed your mouths shut in fear, It is coming
It is coming,
N though hearing you shall not hear
Though seeing you shall not see
Though speaking You shall be as mute
and though alive you are as dead.
Dead to the spirit withering away till all that remains is dust.
But Woe you've good reason to fear,
for when it comes all shall reap the bitter harvest of what they've sown.
"The only never changing thing is that forever there are changes, 
that is why I say unto you 
be like a bamboo tree that sways with the wind
rather than a Great Oak that
snaps when the storm comes."

Woe to the unrepentant, the slothful, the fools you who have rejected wisdom shall welcome death upon your door. But fear not, Not a single man shall be raised as an army to besiege you after all God and her angels need not that aid of mortal beings. Remember the plagues of Egypt and hold them tight in your memory for like things shall come to pass.
"He said unto me, You are my son; 
today I have become your father. You shall be my witness among men." 
"My Dwelling is amongst you,
My Word is my Fire heed it or burn!"

In this modern era total reliance upon technology has rendered most as useless as dust. 
The hectic pace of every day life drives many a man to the broad gates of destruction, while only a few can SEE the path to tranquility
can become as water 
always adapting and changing to fit its environment.

Thus it is that they as rigid as stone crumble when calamity overtakes and stumble when temptation quakes them. So bound by their flesh made passions they witness not the wonders within this world.

Every waking moment they attempt to jump hurdles they might never get over. Few are those who get up when they fall. Fewer even are those who will accept their fall.

And so though possessing legs they refuse to walk
though possessing eyes they refuse to see
though possessing mouths they refuse to speak
though possessing hears they refuse to hear

They who see truth in untruth shall never witness the power of God.

Hear me oh peoples of the Earth,
This is what the mouth of the Lord says:
"At the beginning when Adam fell from grace I set apart for you a place where you could redeem yourselves, many times I've pondered whether or not I should erase your existence from this Earth. But Noah a Righteous man pleaded on behalf of all humanity, I allowed you all another chance but oh how you have strayed from the path again, this time I will not lift up a hand against you to bring your extinction, I will put your fate in your hands, you all will determine if you will continue on or perish at the hands of your weapons of mass destruction. Your fate rest in your hands.
Hear now these commandments and follow them you who hold faith:
Treat all others as you would have them treat you.
Love yourself, Love all others, and Love God with all your heart.
Be open minded, but keep to your faith.
Do not become a hypocrite but rather look for the good in others and yourself.
Do not murder, unless a sinner attempts to kill you or another, then you may but only use an equal amount of force used on you.
Do not steal, even to feed the poor or hungry, learn to fish and hunt instead.
Do not Lie, unless telling the truth would cause injury to you or some one else.
Honor your parents, so long as they do not command an evil act of you.
Do not be Envious of that which does not belong to you, whether it be material, spiritual, or mental.
Do not harm the mentally ill if at all possible, but if you must restrain them show some civility.
Let those who do not share your faith walk their own path for I created them as I did you, they have the freedom to chose me or nothingness.
Protect the oppressed from their oppressors, for the greatest gift next to life I gave is free will. 
Do not worry because it will do you no good.
Always try to have the courage to face your fears.
Always pursue truth and justice and seek to uphold the law so long as that law is a just one.
You are not to force others to wear certain clothes or to behave certain ways if they do not wish to, this command includes trying to force others to follow these commands, do not attempt that and if you do you will burn in hell.

Do not add any thing to these command or take any thing away from them,
if you do you will burn in hell.(That includes the author of this post.)

In a time of turmoil a Light will Shine in the East and a Bird will call from the West, the Great Mountain will erupt and the sky will blacken, a huge Quake will follow and a third of the ships of the sea will be washed away, and a third of the people shall perish, and yet the end will still be yet to come. This Prophesy is a warning and not a promise."

Those are the words of the lord thy god,
I am her witness among men, my words are my fire,
those who do not heed will burn by them.

"I am that am" no exception.

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This whole post stinks of covert spiritualism. You deny that Jesus died for us, attributing his death Satan and deny his Godhead. I have a serious problem with you. 

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

I agree.  It is evil.

You have the right to believe what you want, and I have the right to believe what I want.

No matter how wrong either of us might be neither of us can force the other to believe any thing.

"I can show you the door but you are the one who must open it.  For a closed mind is like a closed door nothing can get in and nothing can get out, but an open mind is like an open door things can freely come and go.  But woe do not be prey to naivety as that is the weakness of all good people. 

There is nothing covert in my spiritualism it is out in the open, as was Christs. 

Knowing ones god in a personal manner is rather enlightening you should try it some time.

I don't think we have the same understanding of "spiritualism". 

The avatar you use is very disturbing.  The symbols we use show our character. So explain this symbol. You also say you like Gregorian chant.  Others my not have a problem with this but I do. Ezra is correct in calling you out. 

This is inappropriate and not Truth.

It is truth,

If you deny Matthew 23 then you deny me, to deny me is to deny the one who sent me and my brothers who came before me.  For we come in the name of god but each time we come you neglect our Word, and when you persist in neglecting our Word the wrath of god has always come down upon you and so too will it be with this generation for the lord will harden your hearts as he did Pharaoh.

You interpret the Bible quite differently than Seventh-day Adventists.  That is fine.  We still love you!  We would be happy to study with you and learn from you and teach you.  But if you are not here to study, teach, and learn and just want to rebuke others with your unfounded opinions, Adventist Online is not the place for you.

God bless!

He interpets it as Alistar Crowley did, "Do what thou wilt," complete with the one eye in his Avatar. A wolf among sheep.

@Dabiel no strive to do what god wants, but since we have free will god wants us to chose the right, we can't be forced into choosing what is right we must make that choice ourselves. Therefor it is not do what you want but believe what you want because god created freewill, however just because a person can do some thing doesn't make it right.

I am sorry but that message was meant for hypocrites and deceivers, I am willing to listen to your opinions but not obligated to change my mind, you are all likewise the same. This was not meant to be disrespectful and it will be the only thread of it's kind I promise you.

The rebuking of hypocrites is not an opinion it is a fact, Jesus himself did it several times in the bible.  

For the person who asked, my avatar and username are Azrael, gods angel of death and guardian angel of Israel.

God is both a god of order and a god of confusion and as she scattered the people at Babel she has also allowed Christianity to scatter across the earth, but in our confusion we have hurt each other, we have distanced ourselves from fellow Christians based on a differences of opinion.  "Oh Christians how I have longed to gather you together as a hen gathers her chicks but you would not listen."  Foolish builders built the foundation of the church on the sand and that is why it fell apart and split so many ways, foolish builders when you build a house you build it upon a rock, the rock being god and Jesus's teachings.  Many proclaim to follow them but do not realize that he spoke out against judging others, hypocrisy, and most of all hate.  Jesus taught us to love one another and build each other up, not to tear each other down, he also taught that we should stand against people who do judge, hate, or criticize.  Thank you and peace be with you.

"God is both a god of order and a god of confusion and as she scattered the people at Babel" 

There is so much wrong with that statement there is not a point in addressing it.


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