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Men & Women for the Boycotting of Anyone Who Rejects Headship and Gender Roles (WOPE)

Men and Women,

I propose that we band together under truth and principle and abjure associations with women who reject God's order.  We are instructed in Scripture to refuse the fellowship of  believers who live in immorality.  The Scripture counsel to remove them from our society may be the most effectual way to bring them to repentance and to a consent of the Truth.  By showing solidarity in refusing their association, we as men may by our influence and the grace of God convince them of their error.

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree; and ministers who are handling sacred things are guilty of sin in this respect. They are coveting their neighbors' wives, and the seventh commandment is broken. We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird; AND WILL WE BE CLEAR UNLESS WE MAKE DECIDED MOVEMENTS TO CURE THE EXISTING EVIL? {21MR 380.1}

"I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a . . . railer. . . ; with such an one no not to eat.  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." 1 Cor. 5:11

"Avoid Divisions

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." Rom. 16:17,18

"We have a testing message to give, and I am instructed to say to our people, “Unify, unify.” But we are not to unify with those who are departing from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. With our hearts sweet and kind and true, we are to go forth to proclaim the message, giving no heed to those who lead away from the truth."Manuscript 31, 1906. {3SM 412.2}

For railing against God's order, against the plain reading of Scripture as its own expositor, for introducing variance and rebellion into the church, for rebelling against our pioneer fathers, and for bringing shame and reproach upon the cause of Jesus Christ's SDA Church, I propose that we boycott the courtship and friendship of women who call themselves Seventh-Day Adventist's, specifically those who reject male headship and gender roles, viz. male ordination only.  We demand from women a hermeneutic of the plain reading of Scripture, the Scripture as its own expositor, and the use of Miller's Rules of Prophetic Interpretation, and the rejection of the principle-based, historical-critical, or culturally constructed interpretation of God's Holy Word, and the attestation to the truth of gender roles, male headship, and male ordination only.

"God’s people cannot with safety enter into intimate associations with those who know the truth, but do not practice it. The patriarch Jacob, when speaking of certain deeds of his sons, which he contemplated with horror, exclaimed, “O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly mine honor, be not thou united.” He felt that his own honor would be compromised if he associated with sinners in their doings. He lifted the danger signal, warning us to shun wrong associations, lest we become tainted with evil. And the Holy Spirit, through the apostle Paul, utters a similar warning, “Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”"—The Youth’s Instructor, February 4, 1897. {MYP 390.2}

Here are some quotes supporting our understanding of the way Scripture should be interpreted, and follow this link for William Miller's Rules of Prophetic Interpretation.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.  2 Tim. 3:16

We must be careful lest we misinterpret the Scriptures. The plain teachings of the word of God are not to be so spiritualized, that the reality is lost sight of. Do not overstrain the meaning of sentences in the Bible in an effort to bring forth something odd in order to please the fancy. TAKE THE SCRIPTURES AS THEY READ. Avoid idle speculation concerning what will be in the kingdom of heaven.—Manuscript 30, 1904. {2NL 162.2}

Man will be left without excuse. God has given sufficient evidence upon which to base faith, if he wishes to believe. In the last days, the earth will be almost destitute of true faith. Upon the merest pretense, THE WORD OF GOD WILL BE CONSIDERED UNRELIABLE, WHILE HUMAN REASONING WILL BE RECEIVED, THOUGH IT BE IN OPPOSITION TO PLAIN SCRIPTURE FACTS.{ST March 20, 1879, par. 14}

Those who believe the Word of God as it reads are walking in the light; for the Bible is its own interpreter. {18MR 145.2}

The religion of Jesus Christ is within the grasp of even the youthful mind when taught from the plain letter of the word of God. It is then that Christian experience appears rational and beautiful. {ST February 3, 1876, par. 1}

Professed Christians often disregard the plain, positive teachings of the word of God, and feel no compunctions of conscience. In order to save such, God frequently brings them under the rod of affliction. {ST August 3, 1876, par. 5}

Those who are engaged in proclaiming the third angel’s message are searching the Scriptures upon the same plan that Father Miller adopted. In the little book entitled “Views of the Prophecies and Prophetic Chronology,” Father Miller gives the following simple but intelligent and important rules for Bible study and interpretation: {RH November 25, 1884, par. 23}

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. 1 Tim. 4:1, 2.

God never contradicts Himself. Scripture proofs are misapplied if forced to testify to that which is not true. Another and still another will arise and bring in supposedly great light, and make their assertions. But we stand by the old landmarks. [1 John 1:1-10 quoted.]

"I take the Bible just as it is, as the Inspired Word. I believe its utterances in an entire Bible."—Selected Messages, book 1, p. 17.

"Those whom He [Christ] addressed regarded themselves as exalted above all other peoples. To them, they proudly boasted, had been committed the oracles of God. The earth was languishing for a teacher sent from God; but when He came just as the living oracles specified He would come, the priests and the instructors of the people could not discern that He was their Saviour, nor could they understand the manner of His coming. Unaccustomed to accept God's word exactly as it reads, or to allow it to be its own interpreter, they read it in the light of their maxims and traditions. So long had they neglected to study and contemplate the Bible, that its pages were to them a mystery. They turned with aversion from the truth of God to the traditions of men."—Manuscript 24, 1891.

"But it is very easy to put a false interpretation on scripture, placing stress on passages, and assigning to them a meaning, which, at the first investigation, may appear true, but which by further search, will be seen to be false. If the seeker after truth will compare scripture with scripture, he will find the key that unlocks the treasure house and gives him a true understanding of the word of God. Then he will see that his first impressions would not bear investigation, and that continuing to believe them would be mixing falsehood with truth."—Manuscript 4, 1896.

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Yes I am with you John I see rebellion against God's order and clearly something needs to be done. 

What amazes me with this process is it is like what happened when Sunday was introduced to the then world church, it was also introduced in small steps and so those who did not concern them self with what was the real truth did not find it to hard to follow what the church was then introducing.

Although I do not believe the Devil will have the luxury of 100rds of year to introduce this compromise to the Church this time around.

We as those in those days should take a stand

Amen Brother Ian.  Praise Jesus Christ.

No.  I disagree.  And without causing further rift I use this analogy imperfectly.  Who did Christ go to?  If we were to not reach out to sinners we would be in full denial of what Christ did and asked us to do.  He came to draw all men to Himself.  We gave us the great commission, not to hang out only with like believers.  We have a great commission, and to cut off people who are misguided rather than doing what Christ does for all us, continually reaching out despite our personal rebellions and sins, would not be emulating Jesus.  

I suspect this would be one of these instances where He would start writing in the dust with His finger.

Let us not be like those who would metaphorically stone Mary Magdalene.  To cut off our sisters goes too far.  We have a responsibility if we truly believe in headship and leadership and that is to do just that.

Remember Christ was the leader and servant at the same time, and our example.  So, we should continue to reach out with scripture and reason together and do our job as men.

When we stop doing our job as men, women rise up and seek to fill a void not intended.  We, collectively, must bear part of this blame.

@Daniel

 If we were to not reach out to sinners we would be in full denial of what Christ did and asked us to do.

we should continue to reach out with scripture and reason together and do our job as men....

continually reaching out despite our personal rebellions and sins, would not be emulating Jesus.

I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint.  A little leaven leavens the whole lump, so the old leaven must be purged out so we can be a new unleavened lump.  Immorality MUST be judged and removed from the church.

I Cor. 5 KJV 2000

Immorality in the Church Must Be Judged

1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

2And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that has so done this deed,

4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your glorying is not good. Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Be Separated from Immorality

9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10Yet not entirely with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must you needs go out of the world.

11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.

12For what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? do not you judge them that are within?

13But them that are outside God judges. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

There's another passage which says that if a brother do you wrong, take a brother from the church with you to talk to him, and if that doesn't work, take two, and if that doesn't work, take it before the church.  This is what we have done here on this forum with the women, and they are not listening to the church of their brothers, they are listening to the leadership.  This whole charade must stop and it must be purged out.

Being misguided does not harm me.  Given the cacophony of various viewpoints espoused all over this board, I think it is safe to assume that none of us have a grasp of total truth.  We joined this denomination because we we found truth as closely as could be in this imperfect earth.  And even then, none have a total grasp.  

Matthew 18:15, "If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

This does not even apply to this situation; but if it had, how did Jesus treat the tax collector?

Luke 19:1-10, "

Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. He wanted to see who Jesus was, but because he was short he could not see over the crowd. So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.

When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.

All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”

But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

I understand anger, I understand frustration.  However, the analogy that best befits this from scripture is this:

Matthew 18:21-35, "

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g]

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

A grudge only hurts the one who holds it.  Not only does it cause personal suffering, but has eternal consequences.

You cannot hide your sin from God, nor can I.  But, because we were forgiven so much, so we must also forgive.

In short, we can bang the gong calling for even more division, or we can do what Christ did and does:

Luke 15:1-7, "

Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”

Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."

We have a mission field.  Who knew it would be in our own church?

You're right that the verse didn't apply that I had suggested.  But I think boycotting, I think this move is Scriptural. Let's not forget 1 Cor. 5:11 and:

"Avoid Divisions

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." Rom. 16:17,18

2 Timothy 4:1-4, "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

Galatians 6:1-10, "

Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, for each one should carry their own load. Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor.

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

Before you decided to follow Christ, before you became and Adventist, did you not hold erroneous beliefs?  Would you want to be boycotted for your ignorance at the time?

The hardest command Jesus ever gave:

Matthew 5:43-45, "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

This is an area I need victory.  I suspect you as well.  We have a tendency to be what Christ called boanerges. 

1 Timothy 5:1-2, "Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity."

Some food for thought, my brother.

Brother Daniel,

Clearly I agree with all these Scriptures, and they have their given place, but so do 1 Cor 5:11 and Romans 16:17,18, otherwise they are useless. 

Before you decided to follow Christ, before you became and Adventist, did you not hold erroneous beliefs?  Would you want to be boycotted for your ignorance at the time?

Of course being boycotted before I came to the truth it would not have been Biblical, but we're talking about members of our church, and that is what Cor. and Rom. is referencing.  It is love to follow these verses, firstly because they are Jesus' testimony, and secondly because they are His means to bring about repentance, and that is my aim here.  If these two verses don't apply in this situation, then they are benign and apply nowhere. 

Daniel

Can we call Crist followers whom go to beach in two pieces?

"""if Jesus were a lady....would he go for sunn bath in two pieces and blame whom take look to the sexy body????

nowdays many have sex before married! its ok as myself and u are all sinners but its not ok keep repeating and just stop do so after marriage! there are forgiveness for any kind of sin! So anybody must repent.....GET RE BAPTIZED and go in peace forsaking adultery!

can we call jesus followers who spend 2 hours in stadium or cellular phone games . Ipads. and cant spend 15 minutes for bible or whatever is similar? even spending 12 hours over here as I did in 2010 is not a proper manner for a good Christian! even who collect gadgets or cars any thing no really necessary even as life as much less for spiritual growing ! Now its known worldwide that USA is bankruptcy as an idividuals are in deep and unanffordabel dets due a "fake posh " life! sda  memebers in same way! 

U are saying WE must copy Jesus!

so...we cant be too solidary in many ways and strict in others! Cant have two scales two measurements!

so???

IDK about anyone else but nothing in this entire statement seemed to be coherent thought at all..

No offence, but you spoke so randomly that it is hard to understand what point you are trying to make, or why you are making it on this thread?

We demand from women a hermeneutic of the plain reading of Scripture, the Scripture as its own expositor, and the use of Miller's Rules of Prophetic Interpretation, and the rejection of the principle-based, historical-critical, or culturally constructed interpretation of God's Holy Word, and the attestation to the truth of gender roles, male headship, and male ordination only.

I respectfully disagree with most of what you are saying. Women are people, not a business, not a corporation, they don't have a department that handles their affairs or creed, So to treat them all as one entity is incorrect. We would have to treat them in a one by one basis, and they only way to do that would be through interaction. Which you are proposing we cut off entirely.

I propose that we boycott the courtship and friendship of women who call themselves Seventh-Day Adventist's, specifically those who reject male headship and gender roles, viz. male ordination.  

Okay this made me laugh the first time I read it.  This seems to me as a no brainer. We should use a standard when picking friends dating partners. It would be foolish to just randomly pick a woman based on looks, or any other external trait. We must always look at their personality and character, then ask if they match what we want in a partner. So while I personally don't think WO is a big issue, I do agree that it would be wise for a couple to agree on that issue. As disagreeing would cause problems in the Relationship.

However, I find the term "Boycott" out of place.  Again, Boycotting is used to send a message to some sort of company or entity. Women in the church are individuals, not part of a greater WO promotion industry. And really "boycotting" them wont hurt them as they will just find men who agree on this issue. But again, I am in favor of a couple not being on both sides of the issue.

Women are people, not a business, not a corporation, they don't have a department that handles their affairs or creed, So to treat them all as one entity is incorrect.

We are not treating them as one entity.  We are treating them individually by their merit regarding their views on headship, WO, and gender roles.

We should use a standard when picking friends dating partners.

Dating is not Biblical nor is it in line with the Testimony of Jesus Christ.  We should eschew the worldly idea

of relationships.

I find the term "Boycott" out of place.

m-w.com  Merriam Webster's Online Dictionary

Full Definition of BOYCOTT

:  to engage in a concerted refusal to have dealings with (as a person, store, or organization) usually to express disapproval or to force acceptance of certain conditions
boycott noun
boy·cott·er noun

Boycotting is used to send a message to some sort of company or entity. Women in the church are individuals, not part of a greater WO promotion industry. And really "boycotting" them wont hurt them as they will just find men who agree on this issue.

We are using the term boycott in an individual and collective sense, not in a corporate sense, in congruence  with its definition, to send a clear message, which is we are standing on principles from which we will not move, and we will not court you, nor associate with you, until you repent and consent to the truth.  Hurting them is not our aim.  Our aim is to uphold the Biblical principle of removing them from our presence.  What does or does not happen to them is in God's hands. 

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