Good day brethren, and sistren,
Given that there were other women in Mrs. White day who were receiving visions/dreams from God, shouldn't they be considered as being "inspired" as was the case with Mrs. White? Second, given that Mrs. White's work were drawn from other sources, do you think it feasible to trace these sources and cite from them?
Oh man another E G White basher. Maybe you should read the many threads already dedicated to discredit E G White, before you post another thread.
Good evening Elijah,
This discourse is a serious one, and not an intent to 'bash' as you deem it. From historical records documents the religious fevor occurring around Mrs. White time, there were other women who were privileged to have visions/dreams, therefore if one of them have written several religious pieces to guide any religious body, wouldn't that mean that that religious body would have same weight as the Adventist Assembly?
Second, I was sitting in on a Sabbath school class, and the brother was heated against the view that salvation was a gradual for some, and he went off on explaining a segment from Mrs. White's works in relation to jewelry. The talk boiled down to whether one would put the good lady's work above the Bible, to which he responded that the same Spirit that inspired the prophets was the same working in the sister. As such, the questions posed have been on mind. Do you understand my friend?
I guess that the old adage remains true, that what you don't know won't hurt you. So irrespective of what is know, just continue as normal. It is amusing to me
Garth you may find it amusing. But I do not find it so when someone like you are trying to discredit E G Whites writings. It has been nearly 150 years since she began writing and have spent 70 odd years writing and produced some 70 books. Where the conflict of ages series is the most prominent. I recommend instead of reading from E G White bash sites read her books.
The charge she was borrowing from others is not a new one we find that Bible writers also borrowed from non biblical works as God gave them inspiration.
The charge that there was contemporary prophets is not substantiated. Maybe you like James just throw mud around and hope some will stick somewhere?
Good morning Elijah,
I trust all is is well and thank you for your response.
However, my friend, for the years I'very been around this Assembly, I'm of the firm view that the Administration on a whole have to explore ways of reinventing mrs. White and they also need to find ways to wean others of the concept that she is a prophetess and her work is solely hers, which she confess is given of her by God. The reason I say this is what if I responded to the fiery young man sitting next me, as he was soliciting my response, he would surely left that building in a more troubling state of mind than he came in. I let him wallow in his fevor.
I've read one of her books in entirety, several years ago and one in part. One has to know how to read into her literature and he or she have to be super cautious as an authoritative source. On the other hand, one invite you to consider mrs. White's friend Dorinda Baker, who was also a visionists as herself, William Foy, or Anna Phillips, or Rebecca Jackson, or Mary Baker Eddy, or Joseph Smith. These all had similar experiences. Thus though varying groups came up, would these folks amongst other carry the same weight as they all profess it was from the same source?
Well well Gart you seem to have no idea of what you are talking about as you mention that list of the Devils spawn in the same breath as E G White.
Let me ask you do you consider those on that list inspired by God? I have noted that you do not have any respect for the Bible. So I guess the same feeling may go onto E G White.
You seem to have the same superior airs as James does.
I know William Foy was in the congregation when EGW shared a vision and he confirmed that he had the same vision. But as I said before William Foy did refuse to be called by God as he was a coloured man he felt he would be at a disadvantage, sadly he did not trust the Lord to remove those hindrances. So Yes he had visions but calling him a Prophet I can not agree with.
Good day, Jason, Elijah,
Thank you guys for your responses. Yes Jason, I know of the test of a prophet, and I would not the title of prophet or prophetess on either of them inclusive of mrs. White née Harmon. Elijah, in respect to your statement, if for example, mrs. Baker is a devil, or if mr. Foy is one as well, and these folks and mrs. White worship together, and had the same experience, why wouldn't you class ms. White as a devil as well? However, I don't think that any of them inclusive of mrs. White were 'inspired' by God. However, I believe one can look at their work, and see if there are any valuable contributions that can be salvaged.
Several years ago, when I was excited in joining the Adventist Assembly that kept Sabbath, one thing that stuck with me to date is that I never cite from mrs. White as I know there are other credible and excellent resources to dissect biblical passages. You see what I am getting at is that when for several generations, you have an Assembly feeding into people's minds mrs. White - prophetess, and mrs. White in the spirit of prophecy say x,y & z, when that inidividual encounter persons who are well verse in several religious works and when they ask some real hard questions, it's either the individual ( Adventist ) know how to respond, or that he or she quiets away, and check the info for themselves which can lead him or her in a positive or negative direction. As such, nothing is not wrong with your Assembly calling down mrs. White as your organisation's source for biblical explanation, as you all have the right to do so, but I find it a dangerous precedence and it is setting up some of the brothers and sisters to take some serious hit if they are not careful. So as we discus, it would be great to hear some ways that you think your administration can help circumvent this, although the Adventist Assembly and its subsidiaries seldom welcome change of this nature.
Garth It is clear to me that you do not have a clue about how to test a prophet. You need to read your Bible again to understand the test of a Prophet. When you can not see the difference between E G White and Mary Baker Eddy, it is clear you have no idea about the criteria for a Prophet. Mr Foy is a different story if you have read my posts about him.
I see you have made a try at keeping Sabbath, Let me ask why would you keep the Sabbath?
Good evening Elijah,
I trust all is well, and thank you for your comment. According to the Biblical authors, and those who were prophets and documented their experience, simply put a prophet is one who is God's oracle - he or she speaks repentance and Judgment; and if they are God's mouth piece, and if they speak of God's wrath or what would be fall the individual, group, or nation and it does not draw water, there is no need to drink from that prophet. God has not appointed neither call him or her. On the other hand, I honour God's Sabbath as He is my creator and He ask me to remember it. It is a day God has stepped into and made it holy; for He being holy, and stepping into any space, that space would possess God's aura. In addition, to that he bless it, so I am for whatever is God's.
Garth yes I am pleased you understand why you are keeping the Sabbath. As it is indeed the Memorial of His creation. As well as it is a memorial of His redemption.
Clearly you have not made an effort to find out what qualifies a Prophet to be Gods Prophet and not a false one.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.