My Challenge: Who are the 24 elders in heaven
Hey Adventist Online Theologians! Hope everyone is doing great. I'm here to test your Biblical Knowledge to the test. So who are the 24 elders in Revelation 4?
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Permalink Reply by Elijah on -
As Jason says they could be the Sons of God we read about in Job. But there is another possibility they could be the ones who were resurrected when Jesus died on the cross.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel Rodriguez on -
Elijah, and John B. My friend from my church told me that it could be the resurrected.
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Permalink Reply by JohnB on -
As Elijah says, they are the first fruits resurrected at the same time as Jesus plus Enoch, Moses, and Elijah.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew on -
although it is not proven that those resurrected in Jesus' days were then taken back into heaven. As I recall this story was only told in Matthew. Not salvational. We will find out when we get there.
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Permalink Reply by Elijah on
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Quite right, Andrew, we will not find salvation in this very true. But never the less it is an interesting episode and tells us something about first fruit and that would confirm the Promise of Jesus coming again for the harvest and as we can see it will be very soon.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew on
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I see it as a promise of victory over death. Death were is your victory Hades where is your sting?
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel Rodriguez on
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That's why it's extremly important for everyone to learn the Old Testament first before attempting in understand the book of Revelation. The Passover symbolizes Jesus Death. (First Born Shall Die) Feast of Fruits symbolizes Jesus's Resurrection along with the saints that were raised.
At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…Matthew 27:51-53
Now Revelation 5:1-8 gives an important clue
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Permalink Reply by Elijah on
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Yes, Gabriel, it does indeed
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;Note it says Redeemed us that could only mean those who have had sin, as we know sin was only on earth nowhere else in the universe. Therefore the Elders must be from earth.
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Permalink Reply by Gene on -
No human being is now in heaven except of course Jesus, who is first born from the dead. Jesus walked the earth more than 1300 years after Moses and explained in John 3:13
"... no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.”
So, if Moses or Elijah or Enoch were in heaven at this time, Jesus would have said so.
Jesus is the only human being that has been born again into the God family; this is the only way that one can see or enter the kingdom of God as Jesus explained to Nicodemus.
Jesus himself was the first-fruits to God.But now The Messiah is risen from among the dead and is the first fruits of those who sleep.
It seems clear that the elders are not of redeemed human, men who were resurrected with Jesus. Here in chapter 4, John is shown the very throne room of God. The 24 elders are around the throne, they are are heavenly beings, not angels, but obviously members of the government of God in heaven, who sits around God throne.
Man in his glorified position is never promised thrones with the Fathers as these elders have. Jesus has promised this.
He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Human beings, those who overcome, those of the first resurrection, will sit in position of authority with Jesus on his throne; these elders are around God's on throne.
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Permalink Reply by Elijah on
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Gene the Bible is clear Elijah Moses and Enoch are in heaven right now. Maybe you can recall the story of the Transfiguration where Jesus Meet Moses and Elijah. I know your Idea of Jesus not letting anyone into heaven and it is disproven by the transfiguration story. Your H W Armstrong theology is no good here take it somewhere else, please.
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