Hey Adventist Online Theologians! Hope everyone is doing great. I'm here to test your Biblical Knowledge to the test. So who are the 24 elders in Revelation 4?
Okay James. On an earlier post you mentioned the prophet Ezekiel but you seem to have a problem with Ellen White who is also a prophet, i'm confused.
Gabriel our friend James has in no uncertain way told us that he does not think EGW is a prophet. He says he does not believe in many of the SDA doctrines. To tell the truth I can not understand why he even is here posting as none of us has any time for his charismatic doctrines.
In 2 Cor 12:2 we read about a third heaven. Paul, was telling about a person who went to the third heaven.
So the first heaven is a heaven and the second heaven is a heaven and the third heaven is a heaven.
If Jesus says that no one went to heaven, he meant the third heaven from where he came.
So, all other who went to heaven, went to the second heaven. That is where the other worlds are.. Do you remenber in the book of Job, that there was a meeting on one of the other, lets call it planet, thatHe asked Satan whether he saw Job?
the Bible speaks of but three heavens, and among the Jews in the apostolic ages also the heavens were divided into three:
(1) The aerial, including the clouds and the atmosphere, the heavens above us, until we come to the stars.
(2) The starry heavens, the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars appear to be situated.
(3) The heavens beyond the stars. That heaven was supposed to be the residence of God, of angels, and of holy spirits. It was this upper heaven, the dwelling-place of God, to which Paul was taken, and whose wonders he was permitted to behold - this region where God dwelt; where Christ was seated at the right hand of the Father...(Barnes)
And no man hath ascended into heaven,.... Though Enoch and Elias had, yet not by their own power, nor in the sense our Lord designs; whose meaning is, that no man had, or could go up to heaven, to bring from thence the knowledge of divine and heavenly things; in which sense the phrase is used in De 30:12, and which may be illustrated by Joh 1:18; wherefore inasmuch as Nicodemus had acknowledged Christ to he a teacher come from God, our Lord, would have him know, that he was the only teacher of heavenly things, as being the only person that had been in heaven, and in the bosom of the Father; and therefore, if he, and the rest of the Jews, did not receive instructions from him, they must for ever remain ignorant; for there never had been, nor was, nor could be, any mere man that could go up to heaven, and learn the mysteries of God, and of the kingdom of heaven, and return and instruct men in them: (Gill)
This is what the commentaries say about the two text alluded to
The commentary has this to say about Moses: