Wow, I said all that? I don't think so...perhaps you should go check out a convo i was just having with Leslie Ann...then maybe you will understand what I am meaning. She is trying to tell us that sabbath is at 6pm every week at the same time all over the world..even if it is not sunset.
Like I said..the church is a mess..and if you want to slam me for believing what we have been taught from scriptures..and rejecting the behaviours, tactics and opposing beliefs of shepherds rod and claiming they are not SDA,,please take it up with the head of the SDA church the Biblical research institute and anywhere else because they are the ones who said it...and explained how come shepherds rod have the sda name in their name. If you had had experience with their treachery etc, you would speak out also..but instead u disagree so it is me who is maybe not sda lol.
I find that our church is so divided...and becoming so hateful...like that leslie ann who decided i did not want to know anything biblical...so i was no longer worthy to speak to.
So how about I just leave most of you alone then....I will study and re study SDA beliefs again.,...and I will stick by them if once again I find them to be biblically true. If not..I will leave..I will not stick around and dare to "preach my brand of adventism"
I never said GET RID OF these people..i said stop them from having positions of trust.
I have seen a church split into 2 by a progressive group in the church..and they have different beliefs in some areas than we have.
In my church there is one shepherds rod guy who, when asked if he wanted to join the church said.."I am not here to join, I am here to take people out of here".
Like I said..our church needs to go back and re study all they signed on the baptism certificate that they agreed with...and if they do not agree they should find somewhere where they do agree, instead of trying to pick weaker studiers in the church etc.
I see some churches, particularly in america, using ellen whites books to answer peoples questions....
I think I have enough evidence to say that the church is a mess, we should all re study..and we need to not make members of those who bring other teachings into the church...that is NOT saying tyo keep them out. Anyone is allowed to come to church and hear the sermon.
I have found so many in here thinking i am saying things I have not said..putting words in my mouth, and not comprehending things..
I shall just shut up mostly and this site can have as many shepherds rod people in it and different teachings etc...and be happy about it.
I have posted many things in here about encouraging people..i do not deal in conspiracy theories and, above all, I DO NOT LIKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS...in my other profile..or now in this one.
Enjoy...i shall be silent now.
The post was a response to DAN....
You are allowing emotions to take over and not reading the post in it's entirety...please read again.
"The post was a response to DAN....
You are allowing emotions to take over and not reading the post in it's entirety...please read again."
That is likely because it was not Dan's name you used a the beginning of the post, but Alli's.. Please start marking your post so everyone knows who you are addressing..
ALLI M. made the allegation....
Truth, no matter where it is presented, will be opposed by those who are not converted or who want to have things their way. In fact, this is why the statement is made in Isaiah 8:20.
"To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn." Isaiah 8:20 (ESV)
People who refuse to accept what the Bible clearly states, and instead use society, their opinions and feeling as a foundation for truth are demonstrating that they do not have any light to share. There is no light in them. What they present is from the darkness of the one who opposes all light.
Alli, I suspect that no one on this forum has been attacked for standing up for what the Bible says on this topic any more then I have. But, this comes with the territory. When you stand for truth, you will be opposed by those who do not have a love for the truth. That is one proof that what you are standing for is truth. When it is according to God's word, it will be attacked by those who do not love God's word.
You cannot show me anyone in the Bible who has stood for truth, who has not been attacked by even those who claimed to be children of God. In fact, often the worst opposition comes from those who claim to be children of God. Claiming to be a child of God is easy, living the life that such a claim implies is a different question.
Some people may be highly educated, in some cases even in the areas of theology, who have no idea at all about who God is and His level of authority. They just think of him as a "Hail fellow, well met," as others of their friends, and one whose opinion is no better then their own, in fact, not as good. After all, He was around before the flood, what can he know about things that are happening today? We are in a new society. What we have has never been before. Such people who believe that also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy too.
Oh, they would deny this very strongly, but their comments and remarks tell an entirely different story.
We must never allow a hypocrit to stand between us and God. For if we do, they are closer to God then we are. Always stand by God's word and never let the sensless babblings of those who demonstrate that they are not even able to follow a line of logic, make you discouraged. That is hard not to do, but with God's help, it is possible.
Take courage my brother and stand still for God. DO not become discouraged, becasue as long as we stand for what God has said, He will always stand with us. One person with God is always a majority. Which is something that those who advocate the ordination of anyone who will, cannot truthfully say.
The same can be said about you. By your teachings and the things you advocate, are you really in fact a Christian, one who beleive that a male God is supreme and His instructions are not up for debate by anyone? Your debating whether God's instructions are valid for today in fact denies that you are such a person. Before trying to demean others, please try to submit to God's instructions yourself.
THE IMAGE OF GOD IS REFLECTED IN BOTH!
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
not just one!
Ray, u made me see the connection
perhaps in the last generatiON
not one gender can really usher in the latter rain/ Glory that lights up the world
HE IS USING TWO
a complete IMAGE OF GOD!
a new thread?
We just had this discussion in a FB Group...EXCELLENT discussion. BOTH are MAN and BOTH are made in the IMAGE OF GOD. HALLELUJAH!
The fact that women can reach some people that no male can reach, is a given. It is not even up for discussion. When I was active as a pastor, I was very happy when women would step up and minister to other women, so I did not have to become too close to them.
One time when I was at Andrews, during a field school, I started studying with a couple. Then he quite coming to the studies, and it ended up with just her and I. Since that was a field school, I did not have anyone to call in, so I finished the studies and she was baptized. However, it made for an ackward situation, when her husband no longer attended the studies. (My wife could not be on the field school, and I could not enlist the pastor's wife, since we had dated before she met him. That would most certainly have made things ackward. LOL)
However, this discussion is not about women being involved in the ministry of the church. It is about women, and even men, who do not qualify, being ordained as elders and pastors.
To introduce any other aspect only leads to confusion. Let's keep the discussion on target, OK?
Thanks for your unsolicited opinion. The feelings are mutual.
AO has taken the position that it is not removing a member for being a Shepherd's Rod.
No, we haven't said it quite like that. We have said that we retain or remove members based on how well they follow our Site Rules & Guidelines. Nowhere in our rules does it prohibit being "wrong" on any issue. It does say this:
11. This is a site by Seventh-day Adventists for Seventh-day Adventists. We welcome all seekers of God's truth here. We believe that God will continue to reveal His truth to His people as time progresses. Thus we are constantly seeking a better understanding of God and His word. We welcome all that are doing the same. That said, if it becomes apparent that your purpose in being a member of this site is to promote a different agenda and/or sow discord among the brethren, your ability to interact with this site may be restricted.
Our rules do allow for differing views. So if anyone is looking for a site where only one flavor of Adventism is permitted and questions about it are not allowed, this site is not it. This site does not permit you to let others do your thinking for you just because 'we are all Adventists and we all believe the same'. Each individual is responsible to know the basis of their faith and be able to prove it from scripture. There is no better way to do that than to explain and defend your positions to others. The positions that are based on scripture will prevail for God's people... and those who treat others with the love of Christ while showing them the truth will have the greatest effect.
If you do the study that a site like this demands, you will end up with a greater understanding of scripture and sharper tools to combat the deception of the evil one.
I'm glad that I am expected to think for myself, ask questions and use scripture to agree or disagree with others on this site.