God does not forbid women from helping spread the gospel, from helping the needy, from witnessing, from leading classes...but God does forbid women from being ordained, from being a "priest". I know to some it is just splitting hairs..to say a woman can preach a sermon but not get credit for it. But God has spoken in His Word and while we may not understand, we are asked to obey. It is not a matter of women being willing to step forward now because in all time periods there were women who stepped up to help God's cause...but they did it without becoming priests. Deborah was a prophetess but not a priest. Esther saved God's people but she was not a priest. Women helped Jesus and the disciples but they did not become priests. It is not a cultural issue or a historical issue. If God wanted women to be ordained, surely He would have had the disciples ordain one when they set aside "ordained" men to head the church. Jesus could have made the matter clear with one statement...but He did not say that from this moment forward, women can be priests. He chose 12 men to be His disciples. Women can have a place in spreading the gospel and be used by God. They just can't be ordained as pastors (priests)
You have hit upon a good point. It is not who gets the credit for something, but what work gets done.
Pimps and prostitution of women....thanks. And you believe that "God" has stated this? Right.
Smh....Perhaps you may need to reconsider whether you should post in an Adult forum.
Alexander, you should be aware that these kind of accusations have been used in just about every area where feminism has been active.
It has been often claimed that the move to ordain women is driven to some extent by feminism. The evidence is found in responses like this. Rather than present a Biblically argued reason to change the established practice of the church emotive humanistic cries are employed that add nothing to the argument except to whip up emotional responses.
There is no analogy there that relates to the practice of ordination it is just another "women are being exploited" cry. The fallacy of the whole cry is easily proven by the fact that it is those demanding WO that sponsored and financed those who are labelled the prostitutes of the so-called analogy.
The weaker the argument the more emotive and humanistic it becomes - and you aren't going to see a more emotive and/or feminist argument than the "pimps and prostitutes" one. I hope for a more mature level of response... but it is par for the course.
I am sorry that you keep overlooking the scriptures presented:
1 Corinthians 12
And apparently par is the course for you in having an adult Christian discussion....I respect your right to disagree, but to LIE and state that no scriptures have been presented regarding equality in MINISTRY and SPIRITUAL GIFTS speaks to spiritual immaturity.
In the meantime, please share what spiritual growth and evangelism is happening at your church....Where's the fruit?
Hmm, the scriptures you presented in that response to Dorothy were...
"Reply by Sarah Sulton
Pimps and prostitution of women....thanks. And you believe that "God" has stated this? Right."
Now that is the entire post that Alexander and I were specifically referring to - can you point to Eph.4 or 1 Cor.12 in there?
Rather than misrepresenting what I posted and then levelling allegations and insults against me you might want to consider that you have a choice of how and what arguments you present. When you presented a purely feminist argument you chose to do that instead of presenting a Biblically reasoned argument. Your choice.
Your post above was one of the weakest attempts to justify changing the practices of God's church than can be given and dishonours the sincerely held convictions of a large majority of the membership.
And if you read my posts in this discussion previously--which I did not realize that I had to keep repeating-- you would have known.
The difference between you and me is I am not "trying to prove" anything....I am simply calling truth in actions. If you (meaning anyone) can't handle the truth, then you may need to consider not being apart of an adult discussion.
Regarding offensive, to state that anyone can perform the same job, be given the same Spiritual Gifts by God, but is justified in being treated differently that dishonours the sincerely held convictions of a large majority of the Seventh-day Adventist Membership--male and female.
You chose to present a feminist, offensive response. You could have re-presented a Biblical argument but you chose not to.
You choose how you respond.
Your last paragraph demonstrates that you still have not understood the argument against the ordination of women. Those against ordination do not state that anyone can perform the job of ordained pastor - in fact they say exactly the opposite.
The only ones who have made any such claim are those promoting "commissioning" of women. They claim that women can perform the job, be given the same spiritual gifts as men but are justified in being treated differently by being given a "second-class" ordination.
Your analogy is so mixed up that it makes no sense whatsoever. It is those promoting WO that are encouraging what you decry.
Then why does the Bible say
1 Timothy 2:11-13
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. "
" Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. "
That is both NT, and OT if He wanted any daughters to serve the office He would have asked for them..
Just where in Ephesians 4 or 1 Corinthians 12 are women authorized to be ordained? Please give the verse. Thank you.
Ah, it appears that, as is often the case, you post without really understanding what you are responding to :-)