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In another thread, I suppose I SHOULDN'T even put this on here, but I'm looking for ex..., one of our sisters brought the question of a prophet and his truthfulness to the forum. There were some careful, some instant believer's comments and some full scale critics. The author herself stated: "I do and cannot say this is of God, I DO know it has happened very often since the first "vision", and is still happening. Someone please give me something I can understand."

I believe that God at all times through history and today has servants that fully give themselves to Him so that He may speak to individuals, the church or even mankind through them. We are also aware that Jesus personally emphasized the warning that false prophets will arise who will deceive many. (Matth. 24:11)

So I'd like to post a biblical way to test prophets. Ellen White had to "take" it and I believe it is in place for any one of our brothers and sisters who use the name of the Lord as a signature to their writings. The following is taken from one of Heinz Schaidinger's Bible studies (German language), a teacher from our Adventist seminary in Bogenhofen, Austria. I will try to update this if any of you find and post other key criteria.

Tasks and Testing of True Prophets

The tasks of a prophet of God is not alone to predict things to come but also to guide and lead (Hosea 12:13ff) and to bring the people of God to repent (Jeremiah 26: 1-15, 23:22).

  1. How to recognize a false prophet
    1. Jeremiah 6:14, Ezechiel 13:16, 2. Timothy 4:2ff : They say what people want to hear, not they should be hearing
    2. Micah 3:11, 1 Timothy 6:5, Titus 1:11: They are motivated by personal profit
    3. Isaiah 28:7, Jeremiah 23:14+32: The way they lead their life tempts people to sin
    4. Deuteronomy 13:1-5, 18:20: They lead the people away from God and not to Him
  2. How to recognize a true prophet
    1. Matthew 7:15-20: By their fruits you shall recognize them...
    2. Isaiah 8:20, Romans 12:7, 1 Corinthians 14:32, Galatians 1:8ff: There must not be any contradiction between a prophet's message and any past revelation of God. Jeremiah 26:16-19 illustrates this, also 1 Thessalonians5:19ff.
    3. Jeremiah 28:9, 18:7-10, Deuteronomy 13:1-5: Prophecies must come true - but they may be conditional, such as Jonah 3:10, 1 Samuel 2:29, Isaiah 2:2-5. These prophecies never came true and yet Jonah, Moses and Isaiah were no false prophets. The conditions or requirements for the prophecy were not met. Also there may be false prophets whose predictions do come true. These then need to be recognized by their message.
    4. 1 John 4:1ff: Jesus must be at the heart of their message.
    5. Jeremiah 23:16-22: A true prophet does not present a gentle and slumberous "gospel" but rather a clear call to repentance. Who would dare to quiet the voice of the Lord?
    6. Deuteronomy 18:15, Numbers 12:3: Moses was humble. A real sign of a true prophet is that he is not vain or proud. These verses show how every future prophet will be tested against Moses.

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Yes, I felt similarly and was fairly surprised to read a very open OP and hear little to no response when postings about the discernment of the spirits and biblical testing came in.

Yet, this may be due to Joyce feeling protective of her husband and his work or simply because she feels she's heard these lines about testing and discerning one too many times. Either way, I would hope for us to apply biblical measures to Rick Roden rather than make decisions based on our intuition, feeling or the behavior of people surrounding a possible messenger of God.

Also, quoting or rewriting scripture passages does not give certainty to the nature of his writings - a very famous incident involving Jesus shows us that the adversary knows the scriptures as well.

Sorry but what does "OP" stand for?

I'm sorry, it's the Original Post-er /-ing I guess...

Thanks!  I didn't have a clue!

I see what you mean. Yet style is not a scripture based criterion - unless maybe it reveals the character of the author.

Rick Roden says: "When I'm shown a vision either during prayer or a dream, I write in my words what I have been given to see."

So for some reason he does translate things into an ancient seeming language. I do find it hard to understand and it might even be hard for him to write as some wording mistakes show. So I see what you're saying but I can't make the same conclusion on one piece of "circumstantial evidence".

Hi Sister Joyce,

Is your husband related to Benjamin Roden?

Many Thanks
Meta

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Hi Sister Joyce,

I asked this question on this thread and did not receive an answer as far as I can tell....http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/why-do-so-many-christians-hate-homosexuals?commentId=1451550%3ACom...

Also, has your husband now be given the victory over his nicotine addiction? Many thanks, Meta

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/not-to-override-any-oth...

How is he doing with Cigarettes and Country Music and such that you mentioned in your post in December? 

Did James White always come to the defense of EGW?  I am just curious.

I agree you are no Sister White with aq 3rd grade education and wrote so many wonderful books. Her letters everything she wrote you can feel and never go against the Bible. She never warned anyone of bad things if they do not listen to her either.

I know that James White [at least in the early days] frequently invited people to "examine" his wife while she was in vision. 

"Brother White arose and informed the audience that his wife was in vision. After stating the manner of her visions, and that she did not breathe while in vision, he invited any one who wished to do so to come forward and examine her." (J.N. Loughborough)

Agreed.

Stop this.  Please.  What has been added to the discussion besides negativity?

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