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Given according to Dr. Luke that Saul [Paul] had been convicted and converted to work with the gentiles and evident by he reasoning and showing that Jesus was the messiah, would you agree with the fact that his establishment of churches has created havoc and a diminish in the evangelical work - case in point the Corinthian group.

Second, are you of the view that a vast majority of Christian adherents are hook on Paul's letters rather than on Christ's commission; or is there a balance?

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The Bible spoke of those with your ​mentality

1 Corinthians 1: 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Paul worked with everyone both Jews and gentiles...

I agree with Jason as well as Christ said:

Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Does God make mistakes I do not think so, but men do. 

Good day Jason, Elijah, 

I write to thank you for your responses; However permit me to ask you Jason this question, given that Paul worked with Jews and Gentiles, how did he work with them? Second, given that Paul/Saul seem anti his culture and religious practice, would you say he wanted to create a new religious work on his own, or is it the case that he was perhaps in between his faith and whatever else more?

On the other, Elijah, I know this verse, but there after you would note that he went on the mission of converting and showing that Jesus was the Christ. However, from his letters, one would observe that there was contention within the varying gentile churches, and as such, one has to beg the question of giving these people God's Spirit, and there is a possible certainty that they never use outside of their precinct. So then, going back to my initial questions, had this act mark the diminishing of the evangelical work amongst 'gentiles'?; 'Was it the case that Paul/Saul, was attempting to hand over the mantle to these pockets of people so that they can continue the work? 

Thanks for your reply Garth. You have a surprising attitude to Gods word, did it not say that Paul was God's choice to be the Apostle to the Gentiles. I can agree that Paul did not have an easy time of it. But really he was fulfilling his mission all the way to the end by the sword. I can agree that he was encouraging his followers to take up the work. But I am also sure He did not do that because he was trying to make his own life easier. Have you got any scripture to support your claims? 

He worked with them by preaching the gospel to them, proving from the old testament that CHRIST indeed was the Messiah. He found out while presenting the gospel that " For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom," 1 Corinthians 1:22, but then he said, verse 23 "but we preach the Messiah crucified. He is a stumbling block to Jews and nonsense to gentiles, verse 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, the Messiah is God’s power and God’s wisdom."

Christianity was not really a new religion but it was the logical outgrowth of it. Initially the two groups attended the same synagogues, sung the same songs, etc, but some of the added custom to Judaism were opposed by Jesus. Like the ceremonial hand washing, the extra Sabbath man-made laws. Also, many of the types and shadows in Judaism came to an end when Jesus died therefore these laws, feast etc were done away with. So we see Jesus not establishing a new religion but taking Judaism to another level. Those Jews who remained in the old way were lost eternally. The so called new religion was not established by Paul. Paul was a Jew therefore he continued to live as a Jew in many respect, but never compromising truth.

And remember every disciple of God is a soul winner.

Good day everyone, Jason

In regard to varying aspects of your argument, given that Paul said in his letter that his attempt to prove that Jesus was the Messiah was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks, did he give up on them? Second, was Jesus death really an end to Judaism and some of its practices - Was Jesus' apostles and His many disciples in the wrong or lost eternally for continuing in their Judaic customs? Third was Paul or Saul a Jew that attain Roman citizenship, or was he a Roman who acquired Judaism by virtue of his Jewish mother? Four, how do you reconcile Paul's argument for certain Jewish practices verses non Jewish practices? Five, give Dr. Luke's account of events, why is their a divergence from Jesus' command to go and preach and so on? What's up with establishing of churches?

Garth tell me do you read the bible at all. Because the answer to your questions is all in the Bible. 


Are you asking these questions because you're confused or do you already have a position?  If so what do you believe Garth?

You asked a similar question below and locked the thread after I responded wondering what your stance was.  You ask questions but your responses make it appear as though you already have a stance but rather than state it, you strip down every response with even more questions.  How about you just say what YOU believe so we know what you are getting at?

Good day brother,

I am not confuse my friend, I have a thorough handle on the Bible. I have several positions that needs further investigation- one bring Jesus' never cmom and anyone to establish edifices that believers can congregate, although one must take into account the fact that as a result of Roman's Cesar persecution these believer gather wherever they are to encourage and continue the propagation of the argument that Jesus was the Messiah that come. But where you have the case of persons gathering in an edifice or some upper room or someone's house, and they are bestowed with Jehovah's Spirit and there is the instance of chaos - which means that even though some might be chanelling the ministry and so using the gifts bestowed to save a soul, a vast majority may not have been doing so. And it begs one to ask look at the varying assemblies to date. They follow a similar path but are more structured- it is more of a business enterprise from which one use the resources of the masses to off set their expenditures. Yes, there are some assemblies that desire to reconstruct and hope that they can live Dr. Luke's account of events, yes there are some assemblies that work everyday in their communities, but what of the others who have to plan when they going out? What's the created cultures existent in these varying sects that may be hindering them from collectively saving souls?
On the other hand, my apology for closing the thread, that discussion was a scholastic one, and I had to tailor it to be palatable to this audience. Moreover, I ask hard questions to provoke thought. My second position is that isn't it interesting that a mass majority of person build their assemblies and thought on Paul's letters than Jesus' style of ministry, and as if Paul's message, though he have some valuable points, is 'gospel', so to speak. Do you know that there are four different Paul's in the Bible? Well look forward to your responses to the questions prior, and any other contributions. Have a great Sabbath experience

Garth what kind of Bible are you using that you can find 4 different Paul's?

Happy Sabbath Garth,

Based on your last question that you asked, well I didn't know that there were actually four different Paul's that were made mention of in the bible. Can you please list the four Paul's and tell where in the bible I can find them?

Hi hi Bess, thank you for the Sabbath blessing. One treating with the prospect in the Bible will observe that there is the supernatural Paul as spoken of by Dr. Luke, then there is the real Paul as evident by 7 seven of the letters that are identified as his - they are Romans, 1 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians and Philemon, and their is the Pseudo - Paul, or Deutero Paul, which are evident by the other letters, except Hebrew, that are not Paul's. And as customary let me leave with you a thought to think on, Given that Paul by His own admission said that he was not in the Way, not did he consult or saw any of Jesus disciples so to preach the 'gospel', wouldn't that mean that Dr. Luke's account have to be discredited. In addition, to you my fellow resident, here's another hard question given Paul's admission, would you agree with the statement that part of his reason for accepting to be used by God was his belief in the resurrection as a pharisee?


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