Presumption vs. Faith - What is the difference?

I've had a spiritual battle ongoing for a long time now. The biggest hang up that I have is understanding the difference between presumption and faith. I know the definitions of the words, but I want to know the deeper meanings as they apply to life. I'd like as many opinions as possible and would LOVE Biblical references to back up the opinions! Thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Vincent Woolsey on September 6, 2010 at 4:16pm

Rob, it's never too late to bring up comments as far as I'm concerned, especially informative ones. I've never been introduced to this formula before, very interesting. I'd be interested in seeing more of what you have on this.

God bless

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Permalink Reply by Rob on September 6, 2010 at 5:03pm

I believe these are the very works of love we required to do....

(1) humble not pride -----fruits of pride are (10) desire or covet....(9) falsehoods

(2) mourn not happy-----fruits of happiness are (8) stealing more materialism than one should
(7) playing around with other people's relationships

(3) meek not presumptous....fruits of presumption are (6) killing live in others (5) killing families

(4) witness not selfish --- the central sign of all other attitudes of love.....

A rich young ruler ran to Jesus with his own idea of works of love....legalism always sees the ten words of love as shallow commandments....they are and always were much deeper than that....
Jesus didn't say anything knew about the ten words, He just showed the meaning of the ten words from the very beginning.....

Notice there are four basic works of love.....humble, mourn, meek and witness (share)

humble means to look out for others, a brothers keeper
mourn means to sigh for what we have lost, and repent or turn towards Jesus
meek means to use God's power in prayer wisely and unselfishly
witness means to praise God's works in you to others, from your lips of praise ! and do caring for others....

To reduce the sins that keep us out of heaven even further, there is only one....the first of the Father's ten words....

pride

SHalom

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Permalink Reply by Vincent Woolsey on November 30, 2011 at 6:50am

It's been a long time since I posed this question, but after a lengthy conversation this morning I think I have a better understanding of the answer. I'd like to run my thoughts by you and see what everyone's thoughts are.

Faith is commitment based. God expects us to be committed to Him as a wife to her husband. A good strong marriage survives through both good and bad times, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, both partners remain committed to each other. It should be the same in our relationship with God. We stick with Him for better for worse, in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer; committed.

Presumption is not commitment based. We would expect God to be committed to us and fulfill His end of the marriage, but don't believe we would need to hold up our own end of the relationship. We only stick with God as long as He blesses us, as long as things are going good, or only call on Him when things are bad to get us back to good. At that point we're not in it for better or worse, in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer; only for richer, health and better; or for worse, in sickness and in the worse times. It becomes one sided. It's no longer a good strong marriage, but according to modern terms, "friends with benefits".

Does this seem an accurate analogy?

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Permalink Reply by teresa on November 30, 2011 at 6:40pm

I like it. :)

My own experience tells me that we have to find the words/thoughts that work for us, so if that's what works for you... I do think we grow in understanding also...

That is not meant to discount that our understanding can help someone else, tho.