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According to certain atheist 'friends' of mine. "Science flies you to the moon but religion flies you into buildings."


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Everyone else doesn't use 25% of the world's oil, having only 5% of the population. The US is the biggest oil consumer, and Iraq is the biggest oil producer.
rush4hire, good illustration. While what you said may be true to an extent, Jezebel represents the church element (Christendom) taking the ascendency over the secular power (Ahab) by offering to solve the problems facing the nation by enforcing her dogmas (Sunday worship) and thus save America and the world from financial bankrupcy.

Why is it so hard to believe that there could be people controlling everything from behind the scenes? I don't personally think that the government was behind 911 a hundred percent. I do however believe that 911 was all about oil and that the government allowed it to happen. If you look into past history, such as that of the Federal Reserve, you would see that from the time that the Fed was organized up until the present day, there were people whose only concern was to obtain money and political power. Different people have different motives but in the end these people are all driven by one thing... "greed. Greed was Israel's downfall. This can be seen all throughout history.

Personally, I believe that the Vatican's secret agents are at work to bring America on its knees by weakening her through various wars abroad, especially this war with Irak until the government sees that it cannot go it alone any more and will finally accept the offer of Jezabel (Christendom) in order to sove the financial crisis. 9/11 may have been orchestrated by the Vatican. It is a possibility since the constitution of the US is the only obstacle remaining in the way of the papacy from ever regaining her temporal power in the world. In other words, as long as the Constitution of the US stands, the prophecies of Revelation 13 concerning the beast and her image will have to wait before they can be fulfilled.

I don't accept wild accusations against the space program, the government, and Jesuits without references, sorry.
It is strange that so many SDAs are so drawn to every conspiracy theory that comes their way.
It is strange that so many SDAs are so drawn to every conspiracy theory that comes their way.

I TOTALLY, TOTALLY agree with you!!!
As we've already seen, and will see some more, the prophets never cover up for conspirators, but they always expose conspiracies. When we read the Bible, we get a cut-away view of what's going on behind the scenes.

The Bible does not give the "official report" that Uriah was just killed in battle, but exposes the secret conspiracy that was formed to make it so he would die. This was done to cover for David's folly, in committing adultery and getting a man's wife pregnant. The story is in 2 Samuel 11 and 12.
Concerning the Jesuits, whole libraries have been written against this secret society. We could start with what Ellen White wrote:

Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful (1.) of all the champions of popery. Cut off from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power (2.). (See Appendix.) The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism (3.) that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception (4.). There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice (5.), no disguise too difficult for them to assume (6.). Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism (7.), and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy (8.). {GC 234.2}
When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were often concealed. (9.) It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination (10.), were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of state, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations [-- and now churches --] (11.). They became servants to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites (12.). All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind and dazzle and captivate the imagination, and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery. {GC 235.1}

Some points to note would be:

1. Are powerful.
2. Since their conception, to this day, have been working for nothing more than to extend their power and influence.
3. Are fanatical.
4. Have all the weapons of deception.
5. Practice the most base deceptions.
6. Assume the most difficult disguises.
7. Are devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism.
8. Are devoted to re-establish the supremacy of the Papacy.
9. While doing good deeds, conceal the most criminal and deadly purposes.
10. Lie, steal, commit perjury, assassinate.
11. Assume various disguises to climb up to high positions to even shape the policies of nations.
12. Establish colleges where the children of Princes and Nobles are drawn into the observance of popish rites.

Alberto Rivera was a Jesuit Priest. He came out and risked his life to expose the Jesuit order. He was eventually poisoned. You can read his testimony here. But like I say, there's too much material to cover at this time.

The more we expose these forces that seek to control our government, the more we seek to preserve our religious freedom for as long as we can. The more we can do the Lord's work, unhindered.
my Brother,

Whoever said that to you is very much right and you should agree with him 100%, but what he needs to know is that religion is not Christ, science takes you to the Moon but Christ takes you to Glory.

When one has Christ his religion is love and love knows no ill and does no wrong, so i recommend that you give him Jesus

God bless
Where did Concerned Christian "curse religion"?

It's true that science takes you to the moon. I've never heard of any religious writings containing spacecraft blueprints or an explanation of quantum physics.


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