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Response to...Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

According to certain atheist 'friends' of mine. "Science flies you to the moon but religion flies you into buildings." This is quite a sad quote when you look at the true history of NASA and the fact that it was actually Nazism that flew us to the moon. Anyone who has done any research can tell you that Von Braun was a Nazi that got off easy because America wanted his V2 rocket technology. That is the sad problem with science. The thing is knowledge has not nor will not ever evolve. Knowledge can only be created through experience. Everyone knows that the Nazi scientists 'experienced' their knowledge by doing tests on human beings to test their limits, etc. You know like freezing people to see how cold you can make someone and still be able to bring them back.

Just remember because knowledge cannot be evolved (it was created by God) the Nazis had to steal their knowledge by creating bizarre experiences like putting people in vacuum chambers to see how long people could survive. Now we know how Von Braun got his knowledge about the vacuum of space. It was stolen from the lives of his concentration camp victims. Von Braun later became a celebrity even making the front page of a then famous magazine. (Time)

Well should we really cry then when religions attack a great satan? Well I guess we should disagree, I guess. So next time you hear about the next great medical breakthrough, please offer up a moment of silence for the Africans or the Indians who had to die in order to release this knowledge. If you want knowledge I guess you will just have to be like King Solomon (of Song of Solomon fame) and pray for wisdom and understanding, Amen.

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It is strange that so many SDAs are so drawn to every conspiracy theory that comes their way.

I TOTALLY, TOTALLY agree with you!!!
As we've already seen, and will see some more, the prophets never cover up for conspirators, but they always expose conspiracies. When we read the Bible, we get a cut-away view of what's going on behind the scenes.

The Bible does not give the "official report" that Uriah was just killed in battle, but exposes the secret conspiracy that was formed to make it so he would die. This was done to cover for David's folly, in committing adultery and getting a man's wife pregnant. The story is in 2 Samuel 11 and 12.
Concerning the Jesuits, whole libraries have been written against this secret society. We could start with what Ellen White wrote:

Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful (1.) of all the champions of popery. Cut off from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power (2.). (See Appendix.) The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism (3.) that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception (4.). There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice (5.), no disguise too difficult for them to assume (6.). Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism (7.), and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy (8.). {GC 234.2}
When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were often concealed. (9.) It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination (10.), were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of state, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations [-- and now churches --] (11.). They became servants to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites (12.). All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind and dazzle and captivate the imagination, and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery. {GC 235.1}

Some points to note would be:

1. Are powerful.
2. Since their conception, to this day, have been working for nothing more than to extend their power and influence.
3. Are fanatical.
4. Have all the weapons of deception.
5. Practice the most base deceptions.
6. Assume the most difficult disguises.
7. Are devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism.
8. Are devoted to re-establish the supremacy of the Papacy.
9. While doing good deeds, conceal the most criminal and deadly purposes.
10. Lie, steal, commit perjury, assassinate.
11. Assume various disguises to climb up to high positions to even shape the policies of nations.
12. Establish colleges where the children of Princes and Nobles are drawn into the observance of popish rites.

Alberto Rivera was a Jesuit Priest. He came out and risked his life to expose the Jesuit order. He was eventually poisoned. You can read his testimony here. But like I say, there's too much material to cover at this time.

The more we expose these forces that seek to control our government, the more we seek to preserve our religious freedom for as long as we can. The more we can do the Lord's work, unhindered.
my Brother,

Whoever said that to you is very much right and you should agree with him 100%, but what he needs to know is that religion is not Christ, science takes you to the Moon but Christ takes you to Glory.

When one has Christ his religion is love and love knows no ill and does no wrong, so i recommend that you give him Jesus

God bless
It is something I got from Richard Dawkins' blog. No you are incorrect, it is dishonest to curse religion and bless science even in general. Just look at history, the atheist wars of the 20th century prove this.
Where did Concerned Christian "curse religion"?

It's true that science takes you to the moon. I've never heard of any religious writings containing spacecraft blueprints or an explanation of quantum physics.
Whoever said that to you is very much right and you should agree with him 100%,
Are you guys for real?

Yes, Wernher von Braun was a Nazi. Just like half the American people are Republicans, their recent leader also committing heinous war crimes. The Nazi party funded him to develop the V2 rocket programme. This had nothing to do with space travel, it was a system for delivering bombs over long ranges. He did not need to experiment on hapless Jews... his systems were fully mechanical.

The space programme of the USA and the USSR were both initiated by the German V2 rocket programme. The US got their experts, and the Soviets got their equipment. The knowledge was not stolen through murder. It was obtained through experimentation, based on the foundation of a lot of physics and mathematics that came before it, driven by war.

Scientific knowledge is not a magical entity God created to exist in its own right and only handed out to the worthy. Science does not define reality. Science attempts to describe what we see, the things God created. Science is only able to do this because fundamentally it has to assume God created an order and logical universe and he gave us the capability to reason about it (hence the scientific revolutions in the Arab world and then in Christendom with the waning influence of the Catholic church).

The scientific method could not have been discovered without God. True. But people are quite happy to forget its origins now. And it still works even if some conclusions must necessarily be wrong because of the forced assumptions of naturalism. Yet it can still come up with useful models to describe the world because God taught us how to understand it.
The Nazis had more influence than you realize, and Von Braun did use slaves from concentration camps. (Why do you think the experiments were done by mechanical robots? lol.)

Knowledge was stolen through murder and it continues to be stolen through murder, where do you think they get the knowledge to build these great innovative medicines. Testing drugs on Indians and Africans!! Scientific knowledge is synonymous with murder!!

I would not call God magic, "In the beginning was the logic and the logic was God." You have been brainwashed by atheists to think science is one thing and God is something else. One cannot describe what they see through science because things are not made up of what is seen but of what is not seen, making scientific logic inherently stupid. Actually true science was invented by religious people, even since the time of the pyramids.
Oh, you must be a pharmacist then. I guess my sister who is a qualified pharmacist has been lying to me because she claims medicines are tested in petri dishes, then on animals, then consenting individuals. Let's not let reality impinge on a good conspiracy theory.

Science is not apart from God. Science tries to describe what God created. I suppose we end our discussion here, or we're going to continue throwing slurrs and insults at each other instead of discussing the issue at hand.
That would be nice if it were true, I also forgot the testing on inmates.

Oh yeah there was that testing on Adventists a few decades back, guess you have never heard of the 'White Coats.'

The truth hurts your sister may be a National Socialist.


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